And Scott drops the bombshell.

Oh, and here were my kills, I got 1 every day and 1 every night.  For the day kills the killed poster was informed by PM and had to stop posting, but it wasn't announced in the thread.

Day 1: Flo -- He flipped Mafia Bob-Omb

Night 1: TvL -- Messed up here, he was Town Mathematician

Day 2: Jonesy -- This one was blocked...hax anyone??!!?!?!

Night 2: Paper Shredder -- Long story, it turned out to be in my favor anyway

Day 3: shadow -- He was my main suspect as the originator of the protection Jones got.  Turned out he was Town Womanizer, somehow still stuck in Lenny's Girl Mafia game, oops!

Night 3: Honko -- He was already dead but I was pretty sure he had nine lives.  Surprised Tom didn't put in a cat role.

Day 4: Sportsguy -- ALWAYS the Mafia Godfather.  When I saw him show up in Ivo's thread I knew he was around.  After he was dead, the mafia conceded.  I'm a pro.

Yeah good job. You killed a guy on N4 whose role states that he can't be killed at night. Scott is just pro like that.

Day 4 of course! That's why I couldn't kill him Night 3 when I first saw he made his post.  

Good game everyone. Was really interesting to watch and I enjoyed hosting.

Honko wrote on 12/17/10 at 03:20:18:

Eyz I didn't choose for that. Thiradell conceded without discussing this with me. I didn't expected it allthough we couldn't win anymore

i didnt write exactly the same message to every villager so it didnt matter. i purposefully didnt stipuate it so it was just as likely that i didnt send the same amount of words.

Warning : Long Post

Although I didn't participate in this one I was watching ( I am always watching. ) it very closely and following up on the thread. I have a few things I would like to say about this game though.

Firstly, condeding is really stupid. It's a total backstab to your own team if you decide to throw in the towel, regardless how unlikely winning may be or what the odds are (In DK Mafia it was down to 4 town players and I was the last mafia remaining, and my odds of winning were next to none, but I still managed to pull it off) In short, never give in until the end. Mafia still could have had a chance, giving up in any case is retarded.

I was really surprised at the general conclusions that town decided to make in the days. Lynching Ivo was ridiculous since he didn't really do anything that warranted suspicion, but you all trusted Honko's judgement. After he showed up town it became pretty obvious that Honko framed him.

After padz being Night Killed on the first night it was obvious Honko was mafia. Noone else would do that. If you know Honko all that well you'd know the night kill was solely a "o padz just got oned LOLOL" move. It could have either been him or Zarkov but more than likely it's always Honko.

I'm really shocked noone seemed to care about who the mafia killed at night. It's literally a huge clue as to who protected who and who avoided who during the day relating to who was killed at night. padz and brett were killed but barely anyone took notice, and it wasn't even discussed.

Web, I'm not sure if it was the lack of posting from town in general that caused you to spiral into hundreds of theories and post loads but I did have you pinned as town early on. You did ride on Honko a bit and I couldn't believe people were trying to claim a Web/Honko mafia pair solely from that. People ride Honko because he's Honko. There is nothing else to it. I do think you confused yourself early on in the game Web, but I can understand your frustration as most of your team didn't really care, which I'll come to in a bit.

Shock started off quite badly but he really did pull some weight into Day 3 and ended up saving the game from total destruction. I was surprised as I was skeptical at first but you certainly had me wrong! Ended up saving the game. RVZ's counterclaim was predictable which solidified your role. I'm glad you acknowledged the mistake of posting your night action PMs though ... that was pretty unfair for the mafia, they didn't really stand a chance against that. I am surprised you weren't modkilled for that.

Inactivity was literally slaughtering town. Moon Man didn't start contributing until later in the game. Cutz admitted the didn't give two shits and couldn't be arsed to post. Shock was under the radar day one and early day 2 but given his role I guess it's expected. RVZ didn't post, only when attacked, and Thirdell to a certain extent. Web had you on a roll there, surprised noone took that fact further. Instead you went for Moon Man who I agree wasn't really obvious town but was less of a threat to keep around.

Some bad decisions were made as a result. Zwiebel was obvtown Day 2, especially nearer the end, and Ivo wasn't worth removing on Day 1, despite being slightly over the top with his defending. I'm sure he's learnt his lesson from that, though!

I think mafia played a great game and Honko did an excellent job. Mafia deserved the win imo, but the town having a scan and a doc while mafia all being vanillas really leaves it down to luck. The lack of roles being posted at death also hindered mafia more than anything. Town got extremely lucky in the end.

(Part of the reason mafia deserved to win was so padz's perfect record coulda been ruined, shame about that :'()

Also Tom I'm shocked at how tolerable you were with angleshooting in this game. Posting night role PM quotes and asking questions such as "how many words / characters are in your role PM" again screwed mafia over since it was getting the town to confirm themselves way easier and left mafia with even smaller chances.

Seemed good overall though, good job to Tom for hosting. Only thing I'd change about it is revealing the roles after death and giving the mafia at least one power role, and perhaps less tolerance of angleshooting, but there were alot of newer players so I guess they don't know much better.

Anyway thanks for everyone who played, despite any rants made I enjoyed reading it and it was fun to follow Looking forward to playing in the next mafia game.

The one bright spot is that Zarkov4 got what was coming to him.

I didn't concede because the odds were against us and things looked bad, I conceded because mafia had a 0% chance of winning.

-A Moon lynch (the only sensible play) leaves Zarkov/cutz/web/me/RVZ/Shock.
-Zarkov is the seer, cutz/web are confirmed townies.
-We NK web/cutz; if we NK Shock the game is over.
-Zarkov peeks me/RVZ/Shock. I don't know why he would peek me, as peeking either of the other two basically confirms the two mafia. If he peeks Shock the game is 100% over.
-If he peeks RVZ the only doubt left is if Shock and RVZ are running some kind of mafia ploy. The town has to lynch RVZ because wrongly lynching me or Shock would result in 2-2 and a mafia win. At that point it's 3-1 and Zark just peeks me/Shock; we NK whoever and I get lynched.
-If Zark peeks me on night 4 I get lynched and he peeks RVZ/Shock night 5, same difference.

The only possible way for the mafia to win would've been to lynch Shock day 4 so as to NK Zarkov, and that obviously wasn't going to happen as there was no town argument for it. Maybe the town would've made a huge mistake at some point, but I didn't want to keep posturing in hopes of that, as any clear-headed town crew should've been able to play to a victory.

People chatting outside of the game about the game is immature and unfair, especially when you're dead. I'm pretty tempted to pull out of Ivo's game unless some pretty strict rules are put in place (and enforced). Mafia is tilting enough without having to deal with external forces!  

I joined once randomly, actually wasn't thinking about the game at the time. You called me out and said several ridiculous things and I didn't go back.

If you don't believe this that's fine, I don't care, but surely you realize how awful chatting outside the game is. It makes things less fun for everybody.

IsThatAGoodTime wrote on 12/16/10 at 18:07:49:



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