Yeah but Shock, you didn't need to claim. If you are the doctor, the mafia now knows who to target during the night, whereas if you'd gotten lynched the mafia would be taking a huge gamble in NKing Zarkov; more likely they would've picked someone else randomly, hoping to kill the doc and then still kind of playing in the dark.

Basically you've reduced it to your word against RVZ's when the mafia was in super deep trouble before, and this seems like a mafia tactic to me. I was sort of waiting for a counterclaim (was actually expecting it to come from cutz, Mr. Silent as the Grave) because I don't see why a town doc would claim right there. Granted, this IS your first game, but you still seem pretty savvy about the game and either you didn't think things through or this is a carefully planned ploy.

I'm in the computer lab at college checking the thread, I'm about to pack up and drive home so I won't be on for a few hours at least (2:15 to get home + packing/unpacking/whatever). Will check back tonight.

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If lynching a town help's, how is that helpful. One less town = one more step for a mafia victory.

Though i am still suspious about this whole doctor thing.

Tom how long have we got left until day is over?

And oh, I guess it isn't conclusive because I could've fiddled with the quote features on this board, but I guess that the town can make up their minds on that one.

Sorry if I wasn't allowed to do that, but I figured it would be okay to quote my own outbox.

Mafia might kill one of the clears (probably me) instead of the doc but I can't see why they wouldn't kill the doctor.

The only reason I could see for them not doing it is to keep themselves under suspicion.

Even if they don't kill doc, we're left with two people whose roles are unknown, one mafia and one town on D5. Zarkov would either condemn or clear Third, and then after that day he would get another peek (if doc is still alive remember), and either one that he peeks its game over.

This game is still very winnable as long as we don't lynch the doctors.

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Thats the most retarded reason for why i could be mafia. So if i just counter claimed like RVS, i wouldn't be in the spotlight.

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Doctors? I thought their was only one?

Shock can you even quote your night actions and post them here? And just like you said shock, you could have just fiddled with them. Pointless post by Shock.

I'm not saying that you're mafia (even though you are), I'm saying you aren't doc. We can't lynch the doc today and since you didn't claim doc theres a 99% chance that you aren't the doc.

Lynching the doc is potentially gameover, and the mafia knows who is the real doc and who isn't. Lynching someone who isn't doc so the mafia has to potentially reveal themselves is a win.

Okay, even if I happened to mess with the quotes, I should not have posted that. A few more clear cut rules about what I'm allowed and not allowed to post would have been nice before this game, but I should have seen that one through better.

Honko/RVZ/Moon

I agree with Web that it would be best for the town to make sure they don't lynch the doctor by not lynching one of the claims, and that narrows down to Moon or Third. I agree that it would be best to lynch Moon over Third, and Clark can scan Third with guaranteed Doctor protection
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Technically they both could, but it is really really unlikely. Plus Zark will use his scans on the others anyway, if maf kills the real doc it will be obvious which was faking.

What you're telling me to do right now is risk lynching the doctor and losing the game instead of lynching someone who is 99% not doctor when we have a mislynch. It's either 50% probability or 1% probability that we'll screw the game over. Which odds look better to you?

The situation is too risky yes. What you're telling me to do is ignore the fact that it's risky because it might not be risky. Explain how that makes any sort of sense.

Someone please back me up on this, I can't deal with much more bullshit.

Well tbh, atleast in my death you will know third is mafia. If my death is the only way to prove a point. Anyway i can self lynch to get today over and prove my point?

I fully agree with you Web. And I understand your reasoning. I can give a whole speech right now why I'm the real Doc but it won't change a thing. And I'm impressed by how much effort Shock took trying to proof he's real While his Doc claim just messed everything up.

So if I understand your plan right web;

Lynch Moon Man

When maf; There's 1 maf left, Thira, Shock or me. I'll protect Zarkov for the NK and he scans Thira. The  NK will prob be me. So only Thira and Shock are left. Zarkov now knows Thira's role end it's end of the game.

When town; there's 2 maf left, Thira Shock or me. I'll get NK and it's obv that Thira and Shock are maf.

However...

If Moon Man flips Town, maf can lynch cutz for tonight. That leaves Shock, Thira and me. This is gameover from my side cuz I know I'm town. Shame I can't proof this.

If Moon Man flips maf, and maf lynches cutz.  1/3 of us is maf. Zarkov scans Thira. Thira flips maf, we won. But if he flips town it's still between me or Shock

RVZ wrote on 12/16/10 at 14:39:05:


I'm not mafia, you are. I am actually rather impressed at how you're guiding the town to its demise. That wasn't part of my plan, but it apparently is part of yours.

If you want the town to trust you, how about you give us that speech of why we should trust you as doctor? Nice scumplay by trying to scare the town into lynching me while providing no evidence for why we should even trust you.

I've done a lot more to clear my name than you; let's see your cards. You've already dug a hole for yourself by trying to get the vote off Moon Man. You scums aren't even going to NK me tonight are you? You're going to let the town do it themselves tomorrow, then kill Zarkov to prevent 2 peeks. But oh, today's even better because Zarkov won't even get 1 then.

Anyway, sorry to interrupt you, why are you doctor?  

The mafia plan is a forced one right now. They know the doctor is still alive, so they will lynch a random villager tonight, then they will HAVE to go for Zarkov tomorrow night. If I die by a town lynch, they WILL kill Zarkov, and you will not get 2 reads.

However, I can claim now and protect Zarkov for a night, and by you guys knowing that I am doctor through adequate defense, 1 will be all that's needed to win the game.

I didn't reveal this earlier in the day, because the only thing that will make the mafia win right now is my death. I revealed so I wouldn't get lynched, because it would have been a simple deal for the mafia to just say "Oh, I get your reasoning Web. Lynch Shock." Game. Over.

The mafia will not have known they got me, but they HAVE to go for Zarkov tomorrow night. They will find out then that they really did get the doctor.

RVZ has realized this, and in his last couple posts is trying to get the lynch on me, today. If he succeeds in this, we lose. I had quite good reasons to reveal, Web. And if nobody believes me, town loses.

Either way you both claimed, so we're not lynching either of you today as the mafia will probably kill the fake tonight.

I don't see what there is to argue about, and why you're not voting Moon, RVZ. It makes much more sense than risking a Shock lynch.