Yeah, that's if we lynch a town today and Zark finds a mafia tomorrow in his scan. Then it will be town to Zark, a town, and a maf which are unconfirmed, and could be a crapshoot.

By then though cutz and I will probably be dead.

If the doc can protect and as long as we don't lynch him, it's autowin.

And I'm not the doc, heh.

oh yeah, forgot about that. Mafia goes for clears then and if cutz is doc (since I'm not), then we might have to make a choice and it might not be autowin.

Let's stop discussing scenarios on the endgame though and focus on who to lynch today.

Looks like Shock/RVZ, I listed my reasoning for Shock but I can make more.

Okay. I agree with you that Shock probably isn't the doctor (you're making more sense to me than you did yesterday, hehe).

unvote
vote Shock

Yeah seriously lol, he's brutally idle right now.

Web wrote on 12/15/10 at 17:57:07:


Wow. No it's not.

What we have is a group of 4 people who are uncleared. Everyone else is dead or cleared.

The 4 people are Third, RVZ, Moon, and me.

One is plain villager. One is Doc. Two are scum.

The doc claims now and he avoids a lynch. That leaves one villager and 2 scum. We lynch, a town flip and we know which 2 are mafia. A mafia flip, and there's one villager and one town left, and the scanner will have that figured out if he lives the night. The NK doesn't even matter if the scanner lives the night, in other words, and the town makes some kind of lynch. We win the game by not lynching the doctor, so the doctor revealing himself wins the game.

Time to make this more personal.

If you look at all my posts as a whole, you will see that I am town. All my posts have a town ring to them, because I am town. I started more quiet in this game as an effort to stay alive. Notice one of my earliest posts in the game in response to some pressure by padz. "The purpose of the game for me is to stay alive." That was really dumb, and I thought I would get NK'd, but here I am. Also, notice that Honko did genuinely go after and vote me. I posted more in the other half of yesterday because I knew that a mislynch would mean a lose for the town, and I desperately wanted more activity for the decision to be clearer. I posted a lot against Moon and RVZ in an effort to keep the spotlight off me. (Obviously failing). For these reasons and more, it should be clear that I am town.

And I am more than town. I am doctor. Any counterclaim is mafia.


Okay, so now that I'm in the open, I will tell you who I protected, if that makes any difference.

N1: Thiradell. I was lost in the mind N1, and I picked him because he seemed town to me, but also a little undercover. I suspected him as seer, but of course I was wrong.

N2: Webinator. A steady and consistent poster, I decided it would be best to make sure he stays in. I considered protecting Honko, but some of the day's posts made me change my mind.

N3: Zarkov. This was a no-brainer. Zarkov came into the open, and I am claiming doctor right now in an effort to make sure he stays alive.

N4 will obviously be Zarkov again, given that I don't get lynched by the town.  

And there you have it. As soon as you guys believe me, we have won the game.

LMAO Shock! Desperate move! Now that most likely your last seconds lasted you come out with this bullshit move claiming Doc. You posted a lot cuz against Moon and me cuz you were maf, end I was right the whole time about this it seems
Nice try but I'm theDoc. And this is why Ivo was defending me so hard on Day1 cuz I showed it to him. I'm pretty sure that isn't allowed but the rules weren't very clear. Showing Ivo was my owning safe.

My protections were

N1: Honko
N2: Zarkov
N3: Zarkov

Plz town dont fall for this bullshit claim of Shock

Vote: Shock

Shock, you realize how stupid it was to claim doc, don't you?

Now Zark can only get one more peek the whole game. That was a horrible move, even if you are actually the doc.

Let's see here. Let's say we lynch RVZ today, and mafia kills probably me.

If RVZ is mafia, then Zark gets a peek, and has a 33% chance of winning the game on that day, since one mafia and two town remain (that aren't cleared)

If RVZ is town, then Zark gets a peek, and has a 66% chance of getting a maf but only a 33% chance of winning the game.

That's assuming you're doc of course, which I do not believe at all right now. Can't you see how bad of a claim that was? Now that the mafia knows it (again, assuming you're doc), they can pressure the lynch.

You just narrowed it down to a crapshoot on the last day when before it would have been an autowin.

Also, technically you should be modkilled for contacting outside the thread, but I guess Tom will let it slide since he isn't really watching this thread anyway.

Sigh, this game just went from almost auto-win to a huge pain in the ass. I'll be back at three, hopefully everyone hasn't claimed doc by then.

Web wrote on 12/16/10 at 03:16:19:


OMG I can't believe you actually doubt my claim Zack! I know it's a dumb move to reveal myself but I had to cuz Shock claimed doc Otherwise I would've stayed anonimous ofcourse.

I protected Honko N1 cuz he seemed to me the most townlike. With good theories and very helpfull information. I was afraid that mafia would want to get rid of him asap. since he's one of the best end experienced. Remember that this was the beginning.

N2: With Ivo, Padz and Zwiebel already lynched. There were only 2 IMO good/experienced players left; Zarkov and Honko. I started to have my doubts a little on Honko because he now helped us lynch 2 active town players which I think isn't a mistake that Honko will make. So I protected Zarkov, it was all just a gamble for me.

Remember I'm one of the noobiest players at this game. I didn't really knew what to do. So my reasons may be a bit odd but I can't change what I did

Oh man I hate this. I have to go to work. I'll be back at 10 tonight to answer questions. All I can say for now is;

We had this fucking game in the BAG! Till Shock showed up claiming Doc to mess things up. That forced me to reveal myself, I'm sorry guys

See you guys tonight!

Web wrote on 12/16/10 at 03:14:01:


Lynching RVZ today tells the most to the town either way. You'll know to lynch me tomorrow if he comes back town, and of the remaining two who aren't cleared, Zarkov can take care of that. All we need is 1 more peek, and I came out of the hole to avoid getting lynched and guaranteeing that last peek.

On the other hand, if RVZ is mafia, I'll be in the clear, and the remaining two can get a scan, just like the other scenario.

This is my word against RVZ's really. I've thought about the situation a lot more than he has, and he just bandwagoned on your faulted logic, Web. This is the guy who panicked day 1, disappeared after he left the spotlight, claimed shielding Zarkov on D2, formatted his counterclaim to match my claim because he didn't know how else to do it, and the list goes on.

In any case, it doesn't matter how bad you still might think my claim was. RVZ is the lynch to go with today, and once we lynch him, the town has the win in the bag, whether he comes up mafia or not.

Either me or RVZ is the doc. With the evidence for me being doc, and the evidence against RVZ, there really isn't a need for definitive proof.

RVZ's claims to be doc are:

1. A copy of my claim format to mine. Suspicious.
2. Full of apologies that he had to come out and claim doc.
3. Uses smileys and flowery language to sound towny.
4. After realizing he made the mistake of saying he protected Clark N2, pulls out the noob card.

And RVZ as a whole:

1. Hasn't posted much to help the town.
2. Spoke only when spoken to.
3. Only means of defense to my accusations being essentially "Nice try Shock, the town will hopefully play smart and vote me tho.  ."

I have evidence that I am a town player. RVZ has evidence of being a mafia player, and like I've already said, the only move the mafia can make today to stay alive is counterclaim me.

Remember the Honko vs. Zarkov match yesterday. Honko came out with "hahahaha, weak point here, weak point there, Zarkov lies, I'm telling the truth." RVZ is doing the same.