A question:

Who is the highest ranked non-ZZMT player on the site?

I'd like to have an idea of how high I could theoretically get before I consider modification.

How can you think I'm still a non-ZZMT player here ?

It's Mick.

Basically, for non-ZZMT:

Top 50 - "easy"
Top 40 - Definitely doable
Top 30 - Takes some work
Top 20 - Takes significant effort (3 times harder than top 40)
Top 10 - 3 times harder than top 20
Top 3 - Mick status

There's a few players who've definitely made it well inside the top 20 without ZZMT; however, Stacy for example was outside the top 20 iirc when he switched and now he's number 4, and it's been a significant help for him.

You can still crack the top 10 w/o zzmt but it takes some effort!

Shock wrote on 11/12/13 at 14:14:01:


Seemed logical to just post it here but I thought it was understood replays are required for modded consoles on questionable tracks.  Most records are not even posted here to begin with and for those active it's most likely on a non-modded console.  Since it was brought up recently with Seb's RBC1 flap, you can't always readily tell if the frames spent sliding were enough to constitute a non-zzmt run.  This is the inherent flaw in the system since some non-modded consoles can once in a while register a zzmt due to age.  Again, the chart here has always been a best guess but it's a good idea to get everyone on the same page in terms of what we should allow!

Shock wrote on 11/13/13 at 14:11:23:

This is true. I think it can cause a lot of unnecessary trouble to have this clause when it would be much simpler (at very little cost to the concerned players, since several already have unmodded consoles available) to just ban the use of modded consoles for Non-ZZMT racing (the only exceptions being times with no MTs at all).

As for worn-out consoles, I'm not entirely sure how we should deal with those as each case is different, but either way all new Non-ZZMT WRs should be recorded, just like "proper" WRs.

Etch wrote on 11/13/13 at 18:38:49:

Actually, yes. To me, the future Non-ZZMT site will have the same status as the Non-NBT site: a secondary site using an alternate ruleset, so it can be based on trust more than the main site. Also, I doubt someone like Andy/Ethan/Stacy/you, or any of the other ZZMTers would lie about having an unmodded console on which you set your Non-ZZMT PRs.

The status of Non-ZZMT has also changed since that thread was made, the gap between Non-ZZMT and ZZMT is much bigger nowadays and there is actual competition for Non-ZZMT WRs now.

Even if it was never intended to have charts, Non-ZZMT has gathered more than enough attention to warrant having them, as even ZZMTers such as Ethan and Andy are looking forward to them and want to participate.

Take a look at the rules page.

^I think it had to do with the blocks obstructing the gap and not the cut itself.

This was a more recent discussion...
http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1321885305/0#9

Lafungo wrote on 11/13/13 at 19:36:10:


Again, you don't need to modify your console to zzmt.  I have 2 unmodded gba sp but I can do zzmt on them, just not as well.  You have no way of knowing if certain mt's were built by zzmt or not.  For rankings, this question mark hanging over records is not a good thing.  You would most likely need to ban most if not all mt's to be sure competition is fair throughout.

Lafungo wrote on 11/13/13 at 19:36:10:


If anything, zzmt has grown immensely while non-zzmt is still whatever man.

Not sure what 'actual competition' means but a few karters getting a few times over a period of years and not posting most of them?

I'm not here to dissuade someone making a site for them, but from what I read there is a lack in understanding the problems non-zzmt presents under the site's non-sc rules.  The last thing people want to do is learn a whole new list of restrictions which won't attract new players.  Unfortunately, the game is built this way and it's difficult to ascertain exactly how many frames were spent sliding in each direction.  As things are, this won't bring in old players who disagree with the distinction to begin with.

If this was such a dire issue why did Andy speak up first, specifically make it about your site then? :S

Regardless, I don't think you have to worry about loads of times being submitted.  We simply updated an excel table for mk64 since forever.  If you can't find the time to update stuff manually once a week/month then it will be difficult to keep things alive.  Of course, a lot of that depends on finding a set of rules that ensures fair competition.

Trust is always part of the equation but it's better not to leave things to chance.

We had the capability to create non-zzmt charts here but the old discussions I listed sum up the hazards.  Surely the authenticity and accuracy of a world ranking precedes all other needs?

rCI1: 40"36

Stay the fuck away for rDP3 for a least a while please.
Thanks

Nosey wrote on 11/21/13 at 18:06:42:


I may or may not have played RDP3 tonight just because you asked me not to.

I had actually tied your record when I posted. But now I've beaten it.

58"71: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLbHle87Vtg

It feels good to be playing non-ZZMT again.

Edit:

20 mins later... RMC1: 46"41 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lLCBzpSQ-U

Another 40 mins later... RMC1: 46"26 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aww6m-kZA7M