http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=WIFOM

Googled it, this is what came up, I still don't understand it at all.

I'll be back within 1.5 hours. Don't lynch be before then, a short day doesn't benefit us in the slightest, and we will have almost no info going into day 2.

EDIT: Added the last paragraph in.

It helps if you watch the Princess Bride clip. Basically it's a circular line of thought that has no logical conclusion. So, as you helpfully provided an example, I'll use that:

1. Brett claims he can't be mafia because if he was he'd have attacked Padz.
2. But what if Brett is mafia and didn't attack Padz because he thought that was what mafia would have done?
3. But Brett might be telling the truth about trying to build alliances within the town.
4. He also might be buddying up to Padz because he knows he's town and he wants to get him on his side.

And so on, and so forth. In short, there's no point you saying you wouldn't have done that if you were scum, because you might have done it just so you could say you wouldn't do it as scum. We have no way of knowing.

Sorry for now showing up yet, but I had a hard day yesterday and was sleeping until now

So this is my first mafia game, I don't really have a plan yet of who is mafia and who not, but I guess that is normal on day 1. I have some thoughts, but they're not really based on logic so I guess I won't vote for now. Maybe something I read here will change my mind though in the rest of the day

I've read Brett perfectly in past games and I think I got him again, good chance at least.  He looks pretty stunned right now, hell I would be too if someone kept reading me like an open book.  Brett is mafia, bottom line.  Easiest guy ever to read.

Darius wrote on 07/31/10 at 02:01:55:


Except for the fact I'm willing to keep my vote unchanged.

Brett wrote on 07/31/10 at 02:03:02:


Brett wrote on 07/31/10 at 04:23:43:



First day there really isn't much to go on, but gut and this particular gut feeling has worked in past games involving Brett.  What better reason should I vote on?  Anyway I find people that grasp for straws on day one to be suspicious in general.  There will hardly ever be a concrete dooming thing to confirm a mafia on day 1.  Just judging by his reaction and how many times he mentioned my name after I posted a very short post accusing him of mafia, pretty much makes me feel really good that he IS MAFIA after all.  I didn't think that post would make such an impact, but I figured it could rile Brett up (make him post a lot of possibly incriminating paranoid shit) and further push the %s in the favor of him being scum.  Success.

You know I don't like to be attacked MVT, and the one other time that you pegged me as a mafia I was so damn shocked that I didn't post anything the rest of the day, and went into an IRC room with Padz and had him try to help me get out of it (Padz was a mafia that game). The plan that game was to vote you at the last second to push the day into a tiebreaker, worst case scenario I'd be lynched.

You don't see me doing that this time, hell if you were innocent and two people (at that time) thought you were mafia wouldn't you try to defend yourself? Especially in a game with 9 people in it to begin? You instantly say I am a mafia, Darius your mafia buddy comes in and bandwagons off of your vote, then Padz follows up with an analysis on my posts.

Like I said, if I am town, you meet the noose on D2. If I am mafia, you live to the end unless mafia kills you.

It's obvious, MVT doesn't want to make that proposal because he is MAFIA! The logic is simple, he claims I am the easiest guy in the world to read when it comes to playing these mafia games. Then he makes up some shit excuse for the fact that I am town, which he shouldn't be doing if he is this damn confident about me being scum.

No, last time Clay fucked it up because he didn't read the mafia posts saying what the plan was and voted me within 5 minutes of the end of the day. Can't blame me for that, but that's the past now, and I won that game anyway.

MVT is mafia, I think it is very obvious by his last post. I like now how he is backing off hard on my lynch case after I made that proposal. Only reason he attacks me is because he hates me personally, and he takes it to these games. I bet if Cutz was in this game you would be trying to get him lynched. Right MVT? RIGHT?

And past game scenarios mean a lot. You can usually tell if someone's playing style has changed significantly from a previous game. Like I said before, if you are 100% confident in me being a mafia, you should take up that proposal, as either way if I am mafia and you accept it puts TOWN in a ridiculous power position as you survive the lynch D2 assuming mafia doesn't take you out D1 for being an obvious townie. If I am townie and you are mafia, it puts my team in a power position. Only way mafia wins is if we BOTH are town, at which point I would absolutely shit bricks.

At least ONE of Darius and MVT are mafia, and as of this point I think MVT is the more obvious of the two.

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Vote: MVT

At this point everyone has posted. I am glad for the small group in the game; we don't waste time waiting for other people to post. I'm not convinced anyone of you (Brett/MVT/Padz/Darius) is mafia/town yet. I'd like to know what Tom, Web, Zwiebel, and Matt have to say though.

And I don't need this anymore

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Well I'm taking a chance. I think MVT is a mafia, I think Darius is a mafia if MVT comes up town. I think Padz is town, I think you, Tom, Web are town. Zwiebel made one entry post I'm borderline on him, same with Matt V. The more I read his post the more it doesn't sit well with me. I have no idea why either.

I honestly don't care if it doesn't work out, chances are I will be lynched today as neither MVT, Darius, nor Padz would ever consider a vote change. Tom says he will keep his vote on Darius, which will likely remain for the whole day. You seem subject to go any which way. Matt V's vote on you will probably be removed, and I have no clue about Web voting for Padz.

In case anyone is curious since Honko hasn't been here, here are the current votals. I can't be asked to find all the unvotes and write them down.

Brett - 3 - MVT, Darius, Padz
Cam - 1 - Matt V
Darius - 1 - Tom
Padz - 1 - Web
MVT - 1 - Brett

Zwiebel has yet to vote today, I'd like to hear more from the people that just made one post today, as well as Matt V, who made 2 very lackluster posts. One of which was laughing at the fact that every post so far was a vote, and the second was a joke vote on you, which really neither one sits well with me.

Could Padz you or Tom be mafia? Of course. You and Tom at least are giving me the benefit of the doubt, which is more than some people can say.

And besides, if I don't call out people on being mafia who will? I've already explained why I think you and Darius are mafia, you Darius and Padz seem dead set on me being mafia, I've tried to explain that I am town, didn't work. Matt V would probably vote me when he shows up, and at that point with 4/9 votes on me it would be nearly impossible for me not to at least have a majority at the end of the day.

Looks like I'm screwed on D1. Oh well, I tried to take a much different approach this game to see if it would work, and apparently it didn't. I still hope the best for us townies though.

Or they're both mafia, hoping to secure one of them as town in this exact manner? Or they're both town playing dumb? I still think it's way too early to make these kinds of assumptions.

sorry

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