Wow this is turning into a religion topic lol.

Sooooooo who's voting for Harvey?

Harvey Kartel wrote on 05/20/10 at 16:50:39:

Despite admitting that it's impossible to guess, I still think you may have put more thought into this than anyone else here  

cutz22 wrote on 05/20/10 at 19:22:59:


Hey cutz, I'm just trying to represent the other side of the argument. It is not necessary that you post in a style that portrays my posts as ignorant. Also, I wouldn't mind if you thought a little bit more before you post. I never specifically stated my position yet. In fact, I'm siding a bit with what you're saying. Okay, moving on to the debate.

The first paragraph is something that people have debated over for centuries. Why evil? Isn't God in control of everything? This goes from everything small, like a personal death in the family, to nuclear weapons. I can't, and no one ever will, be able to answer that question. Personally, this is an issue that has been bothering me. I will continue to think about this more later.

The second paragraph I find more comprehensive. Steps were taken after World War 2 to reform the ways of war. This includes the United Nations, and several national organizations and international treaties. Most of the logically thinking people on the world today would not be trigger-happy with nukes. In fact, nukes have served somewhat as war repellants.

By a wake up call, I meant a more general term. Humanity itself is not dead, therefore, the wake up call was not fatal. Your last sentence ties in to what you said in the first paragraph.

I will summarize with one thought: Would you rather live in a world that only contained good, and left no room for heroism, bravery, strength, endurance and will, or would you live in a world where this conflict exists? In an all good world, there would be no room for God in the first place.

cutz22 wrote on 05/20/10 at 19:22:59:


You are the worst debater ever...must have been dropped on your head as a small child.

cutz22 wrote on 05/20/10 at 19:51:07:


Okay, now my head hurts!

Humanity is composed of billions of individuals, that is true. However, I think humans can be thought of as an entire "unit" as well. We all have the same structure underneath, and regardless of how we got here, came from a common ancestor. There is noone who is half ape/half human. (Although some people are questionable  ) We are individuals, and yet we are one. I think this is one of the main things that defines humanity.

And yes, the world we live in sucks. But, we have nowhere else to go. Conflict should not be on the fatal level, but it is. This is the point where philosophy should be left behind I think. It's great to argue over these concepts, but what lasting good is it doing? Not much, if anything.

Great, now I get to go to sleep thinking of deep philosophical arguments, thinking about tomorrow, and at the same time am inspired to save humanity from an unknown enemy.   I am done here for today, thanks for the debate cutz.

You easily won Shock.  Congratulations!  Cutz's argument was like a bowl of oatmeal with diarrhea splattered inside.

God works in mysterious ways...

ivo wins the thread, for he is right.

TellTale wrote on 05/20/10 at 20:12:58:


Shock basically conceded most points, saying "The first paragraph is something that people have debated over for centuries. Why evil? Isn't God in control of everything? This goes from everything small, like a personal death in the family, to nuclear weapons. I can't, and no one ever will, be able to answer that question. Personally, this is an issue that has been bothering me. I will continue to think about this more later"

Also, " This is the point where philosophy should be left behind I think. It's great to argue over these concepts, but what lasting good is it doing? Not much, if anything."

Also, no negative campaigning.

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Thanks to all who made me the winner of my group in Round 1!