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Reply #25 - 03/17/10 at 07:57:19
 
for number 1, wouldnt they both be equally heavy?  if you've found the exact point of balance on your finger, that means there's no extra weight making it lean from one side to the other, which logically tells me that both sides should weight the same.  why is the brush still heavier?  (maybe ivo already explained that, but can i get it in layman's terms please?)
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Reply #26 - 03/17/10 at 08:26:42
 
Timothy wrote on 03/17/10 at 04:56:01:
only force acting in the vertical plane is gravity and air resistance as they fall, so the fact that one is moving horizontally has no effect on how fast it falls.

The surface area could be different, though. The shot bullet will spin and stay horizontal, but the dropped bullet might rotate or tip over vertical. Another (very) tiny difference is the curvature of the earth.

@Cooper: they would be equal if the pivot was in the middle, but it isn't. Imagine you've got a long wooden plank and you place a cat and horse on opposite ends. If you put the pivot in the middle, the horse wins. To balance them you'd need the pivot very close to the horse. They will balance. To prove that they will balance, imagine this extreme case: remove the cat and put the horse right on top of the pivot (distance of 0) so that it balances on the plank by itself. Now put the cat anywhere, and the plank will topple over towards the cat. So the cat wins. So in one configuration the horse wins, in another the cat wins, which means that there exists something in between where they balance. And yet, the horse is always heavier than the cat if you ignore the whole balancing act (i.e. cut the broom).
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Reply #27 - 03/17/10 at 08:42:44
 
1. Silly question with a trivial answer.

2. Things to consider:

* Even though the question is not explicit, let's assume that the question refers to these events taking place here on the earth.

* The earth is not flat. Assuming the bullet's initial velocity is within the range of most modern guns, the bullet will not achieve an orbital path. Instead, the bullet fired horizontally will travel along a sub-orbital path over the earth's curved surface. increasing the time it takes to hit the ground. The higher the bullet's horizontal velocity, the longer its sub-orbital path.

* Assuming the gun is modern and therefore has a rifled barrel, the bullet also will have a higher rotational velocity than the dropped bullet which imparts a higher vertical force of drag and allows for the fired bullet to stay in the air longer.

3. I am no quantum physicist but I am familiar enough with physics to know that all 4 of these things have Conservation Laws (Charge, Momentum, Mass, Energy). Having a minimal knowledge of general relativity, I do know that fusion reactions within the proton-proton chain allow for the conversion of mass into energy. However, GR also states that mass and energy are essentially the same thing and thus the total combination of energy and mass must be conserved. So, to answer your question, I have no clue.

4. You are safe only if the car is not a convertible, does not have a large sun roof or is not made of some other non-conductive material.

5. The problem of this question is one of semantics. You refer to the shadow as if it were something, or rather, something with mass. The shadow however is actually the absence of something (photons) with mass. Einstein states that it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate something with mass to the speed of light. However, since shadows are non-massive they can move as fast as they please. But really the acceleration of shadows is not a statement about mass and energy but a statement about perception of the absence of mass and energy. A similar inquiry could be made: If I have a laser and spin around in a circle are the photons moving away from each other at faster than the speed of light?

Edit: Damn you Penev for beating me to the punch with #2!
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Reply #28 - 03/17/10 at 08:51:52
 
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@Cooper: they would be equal if the pivot was in the middle, but it isn't. Imagine you've got a long wooden plank and you place a cat and horse on opposite ends. To balance them you would need to put the pivot very close to the horse. They will balance. You may think that a cat can never "beat" the horse no matter where the is put pivot, but imagine the extreme case: remove the cat and put the horse right on top of the pivot (distance of 0) so that it balances the plank by itself. Now put the cat anywhere, and the plank will topple over towards the cat. So in one configuration the horse will win, while in another configuration the cat will win, which means that there exists a point where they will tie and balance out without toppling over. And yet, the horse is always heavier than the cat if you ignore the whole balancing act (i.e. cut the broom).


The problem though Alex is that the broom is not a plank balancing two massive objects. The mass of the plank itself is being called into question.
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Reply #29 - 03/17/10 at 09:01:00
 
H-hey, that's not a problem! The "broom" is an invisible axis supporting the weight of two flat pieces of wood that happen to be joined. You just haven't cut them yet.
Instead of a cat and horse, imagine a melted cat and a melted horse such that they spread out over the plank in a thick even layer of gooey meltedness and become one with the plank. It would only be a problem if the cat was doing a mini-turbo through the air.
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Reply #30 - 03/17/10 at 09:56:59
 
TvL wrote on 03/17/10 at 02:47:42:
2. There are two identical bullets.


Are they Nerf bullets?
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Reply #31 - 03/17/10 at 15:02:57
 
KoopZ wrote on 03/17/10 at 07:57:19:
for number 1, wouldnt they both be equally heavy?  if you've found the exact point of balance on your finger, that means there's no extra weight making it lean from one side to the other, which logically tells me that both sides should weight the same.  why is the brush still heavier?  (maybe ivo already explained that, but can i get it in layman's terms please?)


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Reply #32 - 03/17/10 at 16:49:32
 
AlexPenev wrote on 03/17/10 at 09:01:00:
H-hey, that's not a problem! The "broom" is an invisible axis supporting the weight of two flat pieces of wood that happen to be joined. You just haven't cut them yet.
Instead of a cat and horse, imagine a melted cat and a melted horse such that they spread out over the plank in a thick even layer of gooey meltedness and become one with the plank. It would only be a problem if the cat was doing a mini-turbo through the air.


Actually, I think at best the question is poorly worded and can be argued either way. I understand how levers work but you can also argue that his ambiguous wording allows for the unique case where the broom can be evenly weighted around either side of the lever.
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Reply #33 - 03/17/10 at 17:24:19
 
You could just construct a broom for the answer you choose... Wink

6. You push a metal bar that is a light year long, what happens?

a. It moves simultaneously at the other end
b. It takes a year for the other end to move
c. Somewhere between a and b (Explain what determines this)
d. It pokes back

7. You are at rest relative to your space ship (in outer space) when your friend cut the tether, can you get back?

a. Yes - Explain (You don't have anything to throw away (except your helmet) and you can't simply grab the ship)
b. No - Pessimist Choice
c. Why did I let Padz on my ship?

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9. If you dove into a black hole head first and looked back at your feet, explain what happens as you approach the singularity?

a. Free Response (Assume you don't die in the process so you can observe)

10. If there is a mirror millions of light years away, can't I just use a telescope to see the dinosaurs?

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Reply #34 - 03/18/10 at 05:24:02
 
lol, last question is hilarious  Grin

I think you can use that telescope to see the dinosaurs.  The light that those dinosaurs reflected millions of years ago is still somewhere in the universe. If it would have been reflected by said mirror you could use a telescope to watch this light and see dinosaurs.

Some problems you might encounter
1. The light intensity has gotten so low that only like 1 or 2 photons made the journey all the way to the mirror and back
2. Earth has moved in all those million years
3. The light may be absorbed in some dust clouds in the universe
4. Light may have refracted due to extreme gravity like black holes and huge stars.
etc

So i think it's A
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Reply #35 - 03/18/10 at 06:23:15
 
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8- Your dick would explode.  Grin
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Reply #36 - 03/18/10 at 08:02:04
 
I got some other questions I was thinking about while driving the other day, since I am anything but a mechanic:

1. Gas mileage while driving is based on RPMs, right? Meaning, you get the same gas mileage at 3krpms in first gear as you do at 3krpms in fifth gear? This means you get significantly better gas mileage at your highest gear because you are covering much more distance per gallon used. Is that true?

2. If you're gunning down the highway at 6krpms, you're obviously using a lot of gas. If you take your foot off the gas pedal, you will start to slow down, yet your rpms don't drop immediately following the release of the gas pedal. This is because the transmission is still turning the car's engine in the act of moving, similar to the pedals on your bike still rotating after you lift your feet off them while riding. So my assumption then is that at 6krpms, if you are not pressing the gas pedal, you are using the same amount of gas as if you were idling. Is that right?
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Reply #37 - 03/18/10 at 08:22:18
 
@Camster: respect question 2, I guess that engine motor will keep rotating at same speed during a small time space caused by the inertia (same as the pedals of bike as you said).
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So my assumption then is that at 6krpms, if you are not pressing the gas pedal, you are using the same amount of gas as if you were idling. Is that right?


I guess there will be a small gap of time when your car will be slowing down but not your engine; but that gap won't be larger than... who know... 0.5-1 sec?
So yeah, you will be using the same gas as you were pressing the gas pedal; but during a extremely small gap. Maybe doing that you'll be able to save some centiliter of your tank  Cheesy.
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Reply #38 - 03/18/10 at 09:56:04
 
So shift into neutral before you slow down Wink
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Reply #39 - 03/18/10 at 10:03:22
 
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Reply #40 - 03/18/10 at 10:39:01
 
Camster wrote on 03/18/10 at 08:02:04:
I got some other questions I was thinking about while driving the other day, since I am anything but a mechanic:

1. Gas mileage while driving is based on RPMs, right? Meaning, you get the same gas mileage at 3krpms in first gear as you do at 3krpms in fifth gear? This means you get significantly better gas mileage at your highest gear because you are covering much more distance per gallon used. Is that true?

2. If you're gunning down the highway at 6krpms, you're obviously using a lot of gas. If you take your foot off the gas pedal, you will start to slow down, yet your rpms don't drop immediately following the release of the gas pedal. This is because the transmission is still turning the car's engine in the act of moving, similar to the pedals on your bike still rotating after you lift your feet off them while riding. So my assumption then is that at 6krpms, if you are not pressing the gas pedal, you are using the same amount of gas as if you were idling. Is that right?


1. Gas mileage is also affected by drag which is a function of velocity (driving speed) through a fluid (air). Assuming that your car has non-0 drag, the faster you drive the more drag, via air resistance, you will encounter which should cause your efficiency to decrease. Even though driving at 3K RPMS in 5th gear is most likely more efficient than driving at 3K RPMS in 1st gear, I would assume that most common cruising speeds in the lower gears will be more efficient than most common cruising speeds in the higher gears due to drag.

2. See explanation regarding drag in answer 1.
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Reply #41 - 03/18/10 at 10:51:05
 
You think the increase in drag would be enough to offset the increased efficiency of distance? Someone familiar with the math want to try it out? Let's say 3krpms in first gear is 15mph, and 3krpms in fifth gear is 60mph. Per gallon used, I've increase my mileage by 400%. Assuming x were the drag resistance at 15mph, how much would it increase at 60mph?
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Reply #42 - 03/18/10 at 11:28:13
 
The decrease in efficiency would only apply to standard driving/crusing conditions not in the example of 3K RPMs in 1st vs. 3K RPMs in 5th. I've definitely seen data that shows driving faster = less fuel efficiency. Obviously each car is different due to it's transmission, engine and aerodynamics but I'm sure that each car would have an optimal cruising speed/RPM ratio that achieved the optimal fuel efficiency and in every case I can almost assure you that the optimal speed will not be the car's top-end speed.

Edit: See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_automobiles#Physics
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Reply #43 - 03/18/10 at 11:36:54
 
Oh I know a car's top speed is never the most fuel efficient speed. I'm just talking about the difference between gears. I had always thought driving at 3krpms was the same regardless of how fast you were going, but then I thought about how at higher gears you are going faster, and thus increasing the distance, so maybe it's actually more efficient to be at your highest gear (not necessarily your highest speed, however).

Hey, nice article. I'm gonna have to read that.
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Reply #44 - 03/18/10 at 11:47:10
 
The answers to my questions with explanation, although much of it has already been said:

1. Take a broom, and balance it horizontally on your finger. At the exact point of balance, cut the broom. Which part is heavier: the part with the brush or the stick?
a) The brush
As said by many before me, balance is a combination of weight and distance. To be precise, the total sum (or integral) of all the mass times its distance to the pivot must be equal. Since the stick has its weight further away on the average, the brush must be compensating this by being heavier.

2. There are two identical bullets. One is fired horizontally with a gun from a few feet above the ground. The other is dropped from the exact same height at the exact same time. Which bullet hits the ground first?
c) There is no significant difference
Above a completely flat surface, in vacuum, there would be no difference at all: the vertical acceleration is the same for both bullets, irrespective of their horizontal velocity (as already said by Ivo).
There are two things that would cause a difference, as already mentioned by Mark: one is the curvature of the earth. That's way I stated that the gun is fired a few feet above the ground. Over a distance of a few hundred meters, the extra height difference is of the order of millimeters, so not significant.
The other aspect is air friction. Since the fired bullet encounters a lot more air, the friction (in the vertical direction) will be higher than for the dropping bullet. Hence the fired bullet will accelerate slower, and thus take longer to reach the ground. Again, the time difference is negligible. (I do not know what the effect would be of a spinning bullet though).
This has in fact been put to the test by the Mythbusters. I believe they found a time difference of about 40 ms.

3. Which of the following is not conserved in sub-atomic interactions?
c) Total mass
Energy and momentum are always conserved (in the absence of external interactions). Charge won't (dis)appear either. However, on the quantum scale, mass can be converted into energy and vice versa. In fact, this happens all the time in the vacuum and within protons and neutrons.
Someone said that they're equivalent, but not completely. Mass can be considered to be equivalent to energy (via the famous E=mc²), and in fact in elementary particle physics it's common practice to express mass in terms of energy. Energy however cannot always be considered equivalent to mass, kinetic energy for instance.

4. Are you safe in a car during a thunderstorm?
d) Yes, because a car is made of metal
Indeed the question is somewhat incomplete; no, it doesn't work in a convertible. There is a myth that the fact that the tyres are made of rubber insulate the car and that that would help. It does, but it's very much insignificant; the lightning has overcome the large distance between the clouds and the car, it will make it from the car to the ground. The fact that (most) cars are made of metal makes them a more prone target, but it's the same metal that saves you (if it forms a cage), by diverting the electricity around you, via the principle of Faraday's cage.

5. Consider a very bright laser on earth, illuminating the entire moon (the beam is not completely focussed). Take a pen and quickly move it through the laserbeam; the shadow will move faster than the pen itself. Can the shadow it makes on the moon go faster than the speed of light?
b) Yes, if you move the pen quickly enough
The maths is straightforward, but since nothing can go faster than the speed of light, it should get physicists slightly worried. The keyword (or part of it) however is "thing": no particle and no information can go faster than the speed of light. A shadow, however, is more of a concept: it's a collection of spots that are not illuminated. It "moves" by illuminating new spots at one end and darkening spots at the other end. Therefore, nothing is "moving" faster than the speed of light, but the shadow, as a concept, has a "velocity" larger than the lightspeed. Note also that such a shadow cannot be used to transfer information faster than the speed of light.
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Reply #45 - 03/18/10 at 12:05:09
 
1. Your answer assumes that the brush weighs more than the material of the handle. Without explicit information regarding the mass and lengths of the components of the broom the question cannot be satisfactorily answered.

2. Again, your question does not explicitly state the velocity of the fired bullet and is therefore ambiguous. Even at a few feet off the ground, it is possible for a bullet to be fired fast enough to reach and maintain an orbital velocity.

3. To suggest that the Law of the Conservation of Mass is violated in sub-atomic interactions is pretty bold. I disagree with this in that the conversion of mass to energy must be 100% efficient. Otherwise, it would be untrue to say that some of the mass not converted into energy is lost completely. All of the mass that existed prior to the interaction will remain to exist after the interaction but perhaps in some new form, e.g. energy.
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Reply #46 - 03/18/10 at 12:13:47
 
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It will not move simultaneously, since nothing can go faster than the speed of light. Because of this, the speed of light would be the minimum. However, the metal rod can be thought to be a set of atoms held together by springs. The "springs" are very stiff, but I suppose that over a large distance, there will eventually be some kind of "recoil".

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Reply #47 - 03/18/10 at 12:16:03
 
#5 was interesting. Took me a minute to understand it. It's not that the shadow is moving; it's that the light is emitting in a way that creates the illusion of movement. The shadow might appear to move faster than light if the pen is moved fast enough, but all that's happening is different light patterns emitting contiguously faster than it would take a single light wave to travel between them.
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It will not move simultaneously, since nothing can go faster than the speed of light. Because of this, the speed of light would be the minimum. However, the metal rod can be thought to be a set of atoms held together by springs. The "springs" are very stiff, but I suppose that over a large distance, there will eventually be some kind of "recoil".


What if a road a light year long is filled bumper to bumper with cars, all bumpers touching and leaving no empty space in between, and each person stepped on the gas pedal simultaneously. Or maybe only the car in the back pressed the gas pedal and pushed the rest of the cars, assuming it had the strength. Wouldn't in both cases all cars would move simultaneously? And in turn, isn't that the same as moving a metal rod that's a light year in length?
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Reply #49 - 03/18/10 at 12:28:57
 
The reason it takes so long for the bar to move is because the force is initially only imparted to a few atoms at the close end of the bar. That force is propagated to the adjacent atoms via electromagnetism. The charges of electron shells of the atoms and molecules repel the identically charged electron shells of the other atoms and molecules (think of holding two magnets together that push each other apart). The propagation of these forceful interactions is bound by the speed of light.

The first example is flawed because each of the cars are imparting its own force instead of the original example where the force only originates at one end of the rod.

The second example would work the same as TvL's example because the cars, like the rods, are made up of atoms and those atoms repel each other via electromagnetism the same way.
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shadow wrote on 06/10/03 at 04:55:18:
It goes (from hardest to easiest): NTSC -> Gallo NTSC -> Australian PAL -> English/Irish PAL -> Dutch PAL. Everyone knows that.
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