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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8550 - 01/28/18 at 12:40:52

WL95★Jaxon wrote on 01/28/18 at 09:00:14:

TASPlasma wrote on 01/27/18 at 23:14:51:

Luke's response:
Luke: and that wheelie nudging lost ~0.005 which was REQUIRED to get the correct qm for the stair stick

BlazeMSX wrote on 01/27/18 at 23:35:37:

You start lap 2 and 3 in different positions than lap 1, so the QM across the run is going to differ.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but can someone give a good explanation of what QM is? I'm sure I can't be the only one is completely lost every time someone mentions it. If it's too complex to write in a post (which I assume and understand because it probably would have been done already), can we at least know what it stands for?

Thanks and have a nice day

Sure thing, it stands for Quantum Mechanics (it's not actual quantum mechanics, it's just the name we gave it), because it is reminiscent of chaos theory.
first a link of Beck Abney talking about it:
http://clips.twitch.tv/BlitheMistySardinePJSugar

Now an MS paint explanation:

This is the top view of some ramp. Suppose Funky enters the ramp at the bottom blue marker. His speed is fixed, and the game's frame rate is finite, so his movement is essentially teleportations each frame to the successive blue markers. In this example, Funky is rapid fire hopping up the ramp, so to complete the ramp, you need to start a drift near the end of the ramp to get the best possible low trick.

But suppose the place that the drift needs to be started for the best lowtrick is in green.
Well, you can either take the L and just start the drift in a nonoptimal spot at one of the blue markers, which could could cost a lot of time (in the case of the MMM blue ramp, it costs 0.070!)
or, you could do something usually much faster, which is intentionally lose like 0.005 or some small amount of time less than a frame so that you are aligned correctly to start the drift on the green indicator.
This is the nature of QM, and it's basically everywhere.

Hope this helps

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Sorozone wrote on 06/09/11 at 11:35:31:

You'll see it when it's ready.

ALAKTORN wrote on 04/10/18 at 10:03:37:

I’m stupid.

Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47:

Saw little to no softdrifting in that.

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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8551 - 01/28/18 at 14:09:18

TASPlasma wrote on 01/28/18 at 12:40:52:

WL95★Jaxon wrote on 01/28/18 at 09:00:14:

TASPlasma wrote on 01/27/18 at 23:14:51:

Luke's response:
Luke: and that wheelie nudging lost ~0.005 which was REQUIRED to get the correct qm for the stair stick

BlazeMSX wrote on 01/27/18 at 23:35:37:

You start lap 2 and 3 in different positions than lap 1, so the QM across the run is going to differ.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but can someone give a good explanation of what QM is? I'm sure I can't be the only one is completely lost every time someone mentions it. If it's too complex to write in a post (which I assume and understand because it probably would have been done already), can we at least know what it stands for?

Thanks and have a nice day

Sure thing, it stands for Quantum Mechanics (it's not actual quantum mechanics, it's just the name we gave it), because it is reminiscent of chaos theory.
first a link of Beck Abney talking about it:
http://clips.twitch.tv/BlitheMistySardinePJSugar

Now an MS paint explanation:
https://i.imgur.com/ibwlvXg.png
This is the top view of some ramp. Suppose Funky enters the ramp at the bottom blue marker. His speed is fixed, and the game's frame rate is finite, so his movement is essentially teleportations each frame to the successive blue markers. In this example, Funky is rapid fire hopping up the ramp, so to complete the ramp, you need to start a drift near the end of the ramp to get the best possible low trick.

But suppose the place that the drift needs to be started for the best lowtrick is in green.
Well, you can either take the L and just start the drift in a nonoptimal spot at one of the blue markers, which could could cost a lot of time (in the case of the MMM blue ramp, it costs 0.070!)
or, you could do something usually much faster, which is intentionally lose like 0.005 or some small amount of time less than a frame so that you are aligned correctly to start the drift on the green indicator.
This is the nature of QM, and it's basically everywhere.

Hope this helps

So essentially losing minuscule bits of time puts you it a better position to perform faster ramps and whatnot. Is this specifically for ramps or does this affect turns as well? And I assume you can only use QM to position yourself backwards and not let you go further forward

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Rhodechill wrote on 02/16/18 at 09:53:50:

how do you get WR but bypass the top tens

Arvo57 wrote on 02/10/19 at 11:35:14:

PP can do whatever the fuck they want, I and nobody else can really change that

JawsTheShark wrote on 02/26/19 at 22:18:26:

Your sneak disses are desperate and weak!

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TASPlasma Elite Offline P=NP => N=1 v P=0 worships 4129 kartgods Santa Cruz, CA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8552 - 01/28/18 at 14:29:02 It effects everything, even turns to a small degree. It mostly has to do with ramps and bumpiness of the road. While it would be more optimal to save .00x instead of having to lose .00x, finding .00x time savers can't be done arbitrarily.
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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8554 - 02/05/18 at 08:41:06

That explanation of “QM” (lol I’ll never be able to take this term seriously) sounds a lot better than what I used to hear. Did you guys change it or am I misremembering?

Edit: Oh by the way the only thing that’s limited to the framerate is your inputs. The game doesn’t calculate physics based on the framerate.

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I PINNED DOWN KF!TIMUR AFTER 10 FUCKING POSTS

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL GET FUCKED

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WL95★Jaxon Elite Offline I like pancakes... a lot Said hello to 2568 people of YouTube USA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8555 - 02/05/18 at 08:47:04 ALAKTORN wrote on 02/05/18 at 08:41:06: That explanation of “QM” (lol I’ll never be able to take this term seriously) sounds a lot better than what I used to hear. Did you guys change it or am I misremembering? This one is probably just more in depth than whatever you heard before. I don't see why they would change it
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Mgat Karter Offline I Love Mark 2.0! seen 3503 mj vids	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8556 - 02/09/18 at 11:25:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmZiVgX0wwU&t=0s
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ZedR King Offline EPK 3575 days karting Germany Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8557 - 02/09/18 at 15:20:25 CM made by Luke not zak
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Connor Elite Offline Three star overall ranking worships 6370 kartgods Orem, Utah Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8559 - 02/18/18 at 23:47:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKj_eQafLZk
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InnovΔ Legend Offline ate 3008 donuts Milky Way Galaxy Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8560 - 02/19/18 at 09:01:45 Connor wrote on 02/18/18 at 23:47:28: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKj_eQafLZk Are you that same Connor? If so fix your "WR"
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WL95★Jaxon Elite Offline I like pancakes... a lot Said hello to 2568 people of YouTube USA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8561 - 02/19/18 at 09:36:42 InnovΔ wrote on 02/19/18 at 09:01:45: Connor wrote on 02/18/18 at 23:47:28: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKj_eQafLZk Are you that same Connor? If so fix your "WR" What does that even mean lol
Back to top	Former MKW Player YouTube Channel Rhodechill wrote on 02/16/18 at 09:53:50: how do you get WR but bypass the top tens Arvo57 wrote on 02/10/19 at 11:35:14: PP can do whatever the fuck they want, I and nobody else can really change that JawsTheShark wrote on 02/26/19 at 22:18:26: Your sneak disses are desperate and weak! IP Logged

Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa 5945 days karting Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8562 - 02/21/18 at 02:56:35 How did a worldwide community of dedicated players for one of the best selling games of all time think that missing that boost panel was faster for a decade even with access to mkw on dolphin for almost as long?
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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8563 - 02/21/18 at 04:23:52

ALAKTORN wrote on 02/05/18 at 08:41:06:

The game doesn’t calculate physics based on the framerate.

I feel like that'd be better Grin

When you see a (good) TASer lightly turn in their wheelie right before a really precise section in a run, don't just assume incompetence over something as basic as driving in a straight line, and instead try to think a little deeper.

I did boy. Figured maybe he thought he was getting the right amount of air *hitting that exct part of the gray stairs" or whatever, or some other bullshit nonsense like getting a better angle. Maybe it stuck with me from literally *every other TASer*, who always seem to do stuff that looks cool/fast but when is in reality no way faster if you know anything about the fundamentals of mkw tt.

lukas: Lukas, you really have nothing to say or respond to my message? I tried reconciling and clearing things up. You skipped to my next messages. Not going to bother explaining myself, working with, and clarifying with you etc if you're just going to ignore everything. Will just express my thoughts to the community not the uploader. glad youre life is all fixed up now that you're back to tas again Smiley

tasplasma what is the red vs darkred in that image? & in like a eli5 sentenc ehow is QM similar to chaos theory

Any my favorite:

translates to:

"0:00:161 cannot ever be shaved off this TAS each lap here on Bowser's Castle" -Blaze, best current MKWii player/TASer

^Shit like this makes me actually lol and facepalm simul

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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ZedR King Offline EPK 3575 days karting Germany Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8564 - 02/21/18 at 05:28:47 You know you make almost the whole community lol and facepalm themself since your first appearance here
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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8565 - 02/21/18 at 06:20:38

Comeon thats way too easy. I guess my only option is to resort to an even lazier response to you. Here is my response:

You know you make almost the whole community lol and facepalm themselfz since your first appearance here Smiley

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skimmed the rDH TAS and wanted to post initial thoughts:

I will be honest a lot of turns seem questionable to me. I wish I could point them on a screen next to an actual TASer and just ask them about these more minor ones. I'm trying to learn, too, as always.

Why did last turn look kinda diff laps 1 and 2? Is it bad to take the penultimate turn closer to the offroad boundary or something? Bounce on bumpy straight looked kinda harsh. Did you notice that visually? Does not happen lap 3. Double MT: Can you start alignment before that a lil more to the right, so after the 2nd MT you can wheelie rather than do this massive counterdrift thing followed by a long-held MT? (and yes, I know from the lines you were taking, that MT *needed* to be held - but - can the turn before it's initial approach be creatively varied so you can avoid that next sequence? WHOA OK. ok im writing this as i watch and wtf you actually incorporate the exact wheelie ideas I had into the next lap!! Knew I was onto something with my occasional thoughts!

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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Malleoz Karter Offline Hi 4547 days karting	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8566 - 02/23/18 at 10:57:35 Hi there! I haven't logged onto this website in nearly 3.5 years. Hope everyone on here is doing well. I just wanted to log on just so I could say that Rhodechill is a toxic piece of shit. That is all. Have a nice day!
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ALAKTORN Myth Offline Resident weeaboo punched 6518 kiddies Italy - Viserba Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8568 - 02/23/18 at 12:27:01 Lmao there’s nothing wrong with him. Stop being kids and grow thicker skin.
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ZedR King Offline EPK 3575 days karting Germany Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8569 - 02/23/18 at 12:39:28 ALAKTORN wrote on 02/23/18 at 12:27:01: Lmao there’s nothing wrong with him. Stop being kids and grow thicker skin. Cute , 2 idiots gotta stick together
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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8571 - 02/25/18 at 01:31:52

blahpy wrote on 02/23/18 at 11:36:02:

Rhodechill dude just delete your account already Smiley

why because one tool assist community on the internet dislikes some of my opinions?

@malleo: how dramatic - also you havent logged in cause you were too much of a disliked / controversial subject and couldnt take it, or whatever other reason your previous tas description things said

he came here cause i commented on his video

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8574 - 03/01/18 at 14:56:14

Malleoz wrote on 02/23/18 at 10:57:35:

Hi there!

I haven't logged onto this website in nearly 3.5 years. Hope everyone on here is doing well.

I just wanted to log on just so I could say that Rhodechill is a toxic piece of shit. That is all. Have a nice day!

Eh I wouldn't say Rhode is toxic, not in the same way as Jaws or Black, just kind of unable to learn the simple lesson that when people say they find you annoying, then maybe you should self-reflect and change your behaviour.

Regarding you Malleo, I know you left here on not the best of terms lol. But everyone makes mistakes, and I see you've been a big positive influence on the paper mario scene. Hope you're doing well and better now.

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