Mario Kart MB - MKW TAS

Brett Ex Member	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8275 - 12/03/15 at 06:15:43 GV 15"239 by Kasey191, finally what appears to be a good run.
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ALAKTORN Myth Offline Resident weeaboo punched 6518 kiddies Italy - Viserba Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8276 - 12/03/15 at 08:42:35 Noticed the “GV glitch Flap 3″712 by xDanibu” vid is unavailable. Is it somewhere else?
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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8277 - 12/06/15 at 05:35:55

ALAKTORN wrote on 11/17/15 at 07:20:09:

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

To sub , you'd need to cut .475 fr the 3lap, or about .158 per lap.

When put that way, it looks a lot more doable. You may have converted me.

As an experienced TASer myself, I consider everyone TASing MKW to be pretty fucking bad TASers, overall; not necessarily through faults of their own (lol Dolphin). Which is why I can see something like ″158 being cut per lap if a good TASer were to attempt it with good TASing tools (lol Dolphin).

I still doubt 158 per lap without new strats, the thing about MKW is often if you take a certain turn slower the next turn gets faster just by alignment so you can't count losing time in a single turn always and a lot depends on it on MC3 (and BC3 as Reo showed), these are 2 tracks where taking a certain turn as fast as possible often makes the next turn slower -> so actually not perfecting every turn probably gains time just by itself on other turns -> I'd say with better tools and no strat improvements 1:17.2 is truly possible but more would be quite disappointing for the standards we have at the moment.

Also I might do a TAS again(or at least a flap/first lap) did Lukas first lap beat the stompers at TF with 3-0-0? If so or if he didn't by less than 0.1 then I guess I'll try TF again 1:45 is easily possible I'd like to see what can be done (allthough I hate the shroomless sc).

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it’s funny to see that Walter is always right in the end

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TASPlasma Elite Offline P=NP => N=1 v P=0 hit 4129 moles Santa Cruz, CA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8278 - 12/06/15 at 11:18:40 If I remember correctly, he wasn't even close to beating them.
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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8279 - 12/06/15 at 13:33:00

Blackyboi wrote on 12/06/15 at 05:35:55:

ALAKTORN wrote on 11/17/15 at 07:20:09:

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

To sub , you'd need to cut .475 fr the 3lap, or about .158 per lap.

When put that way, it looks a lot more doable. You may have converted me.

As an experienced TASer myself, I consider everyone TASing MKW to be pretty fucking bad TASers, overall; not necessarily through faults of their own (lol Dolphin). Which is why I can see something like ″158 being cut per lap if a good TASer were to attempt it with good TASing tools (lol Dolphin).

I still doubt 158 per lap without new strats, the thing about MKW is often if you take a certain turn slower the next turn gets faster just by alignment so you can't count losing time in a single turn always and a lot depends on it on MC3 (and BC3 as Reo showed), these are 2 tracks where taking a certain turn as fast as possible often makes the next turn slower -> so actually not perfecting every turn probably gains time just by itself on other turns -> I'd say with better tools and no strat improvements 1:17.2 is truly possible but more would be quite disappointing for the standards we have at the moment.

Also I might do a TAS again(or at least a flap/first lap) did Lukas first lap beat the stompers at TF with 3-0-0? If so or if he didn't by less than 0.1 then I guess I'll try TF again 1:45 is easily possible I'd like to see what can be done (allthough I hate the shroomless sc).

Yeah it's very possible I'm wrong, you might be right about MC3 having odd-looking alignments actually being faster due to approach for the next turn.

Of course I keep the approach for the next turn in mind always, but I'm no expert at MC3, so if what you're saying is true I'll take your word for it.

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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Reply #8280 - 12/06/15 at 15:48:59

Ok I decided to test my knowledge of this game. Watched one lap of a random TAS (timeys Bcwii) run that I hadn't watched in years.

I took two random example snapshots in a 3 second period of where I think there are questionable / nonoptimal lines. Anyone agree with me? Or am I wrong.

Ok so this one's a little less obvious than my next example. You might need to watch the run to see what I mean here.

Anyway, I believe this guy should have started inputting left-button input presses earlier upon landing from the ramp to shorten the distance to the next turn. He waits to long to start pressing left, resulting in like a .001 to .008 wider line.

Now this one's much more obvious. I know he's taking it kind of wide to go to the correct geiser, but I am like 99% sure than can be taken tighter and probably save at least .015. That is both an awkward straight line to the geiser and also one that doesn't even cut the corner tightly.

Thoughts? At least I'm trying to be skeptical about my judgement.

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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Randy166 Ex Member	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8281 - 12/06/15 at 18:55:29 Rhodechill wrote on 12/06/15 at 15:48:59: but I am like 99% sure than can be taken tighter and probably save at least .015. Trying to do a hard strat that only saves .015 is pointless
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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8282 - 12/06/15 at 19:00:15

Randy166 wrote on 12/06/15 at 18:55:29:

Rhodechill wrote on 12/06/15 at 15:48:59:

but I am like 99% sure than can be taken tighter and probably save at least .015.

Trying to do a hard strat that only saves .015 is pointless Smiley

lol no.
Rhode, you are right in the case, most of the TAS community thought that run was sloppy (no softdrifts, etc.). We thought the run was cool for the sheer amount of new strats though.

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Sorozone wrote on 06/09/11 at 11:35:31:

You'll see it when it's ready.

ALAKTORN wrote on 04/10/18 at 10:03:37:

I’m stupid.

Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47:

Saw little to no softdrifting in that.

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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8283 - 12/06/15 at 19:44:38

TASPlasma wrote on 12/06/15 at 19:00:15:

Randy166 wrote on 12/06/15 at 18:55:29:

Rhodechill wrote on 12/06/15 at 15:48:59:

but I am like 99% sure than can be taken tighter and probably save at least .015.

Trying to do a hard strat that only saves .015 is pointless Smiley

lol no.
Rhode, you are right in the case, most of the TAS community thought that run was sloppy (no softdrifts, etc.). We thought the run was cool for the sheer amount of new strats though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXOD6i0QE5k&feature=youtu.be
I watched the run, and it wasn't bad at all.

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Reply #8284 - 12/06/15 at 20:46:49

Rhodechill wrote on 12/06/15 at 13:33:00:

Blackyboi wrote on 12/06/15 at 05:35:55:

ALAKTORN wrote on 11/17/15 at 07:20:09:

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

To sub , you'd need to cut .475 fr the 3lap, or about .158 per lap.

When put that way, it looks a lot more doable. You may have converted me.

As an experienced TASer myself, I consider everyone TASing MKW to be pretty fucking bad TASers, overall; not necessarily through faults of their own (lol Dolphin). Which is why I can see something like ″158 being cut per lap if a good TASer were to attempt it with good TASing tools (lol Dolphin).

I still doubt 158 per lap without new strats, the thing about MKW is often if you take a certain turn slower the next turn gets faster just by alignment so you can't count losing time in a single turn always and a lot depends on it on MC3 (and BC3 as Reo showed), these are 2 tracks where taking a certain turn as fast as possible often makes the next turn slower -> so actually not perfecting every turn probably gains time just by itself on other turns -> I'd say with better tools and no strat improvements 1:17.2 is truly possible but more would be quite disappointing for the standards we have at the moment.

Also I might do a TAS again(or at least a flap/first lap) did Lukas first lap beat the stompers at TF with 3-0-0? If so or if he didn't by less than 0.1 then I guess I'll try TF again 1:45 is easily possible I'd like to see what can be done (allthough I hate the shroomless sc).

Yeah it's very possible I'm wrong, you might be right about MC3 having odd-looking alignments actually being faster due to approach for the next turn.

Of course I keep the approach for the next turn in mind always, but I'm no expert at MC3, so if what you're saying is true I'll take your word for it.

I have a few things in mind that can be improved but that together with better optimization will not give more a high .2 for a 3lap if it's even gonna be enough for that. I am not counting on the sub being possible but I guess .2 or even .1 is totally possible, but what do we know lots of ppl said without new strats 1:17 was impossible and with the old strat we could get 1:17.8 nowadays xD

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ALAKTORN wrote on 04/27/13 at 08:29:36:

it’s funny to see that Walter is always right in the end

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Blackyboi King Offline seen 4679 mj vids Austria Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8285 - 12/06/15 at 20:51:44 (Sorry, this msg is handicapped. It was probably crap, anyway.)
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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa drank 5945 beers Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8286 - 12/06/15 at 21:26:34 Is softdrifting with a pad input of (-3,0) the same as holding northwest on the analog stick while drifting?
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TASPlasma Elite Offline P=NP => N=1 v P=0 4129 days karting Santa Cruz, CA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8287 - 12/06/15 at 22:01:49 Rhodechill wrote on 12/06/15 at 21:26:34: Is softdrifting with a pad input of (-3,0) the same as holding northwest on the analog stick while drifting? No, northwest is (-5, 4), which is not the minimum softdrift value.
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BlazeMSX Elite Offline 3654 days karting Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8288 - 12/06/15 at 22:42:28 I don't think anyone is claiming that Timey's run is optimal.
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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa 5945 days karting Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8289 - 12/06/15 at 22:59:13 BlazeMSX wrote on 12/06/15 at 22:42:28: I don't think anyone is claiming that Timey's run is optimal. Neither do I. My post was to test my knowledge of this game using a randomly selected TAS.
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Lukas Karter Offline seen 4274 mj vids Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8291 - 12/07/15 at 10:50:04 I had to be 40 something frames faster to beat the stompers lap 2. If they get beaten, you can get a low 1:45/1:44. I wouldn't everyone crap at MKWii TASing either. At a high level, real optimization with MKWii is way nastier and time consuming than you think. It's surprising anyone wants to continue TASing this game.
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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8292 - 12/07/15 at 11:46:58

Lukas wrote on 12/07/15 at 10:50:04:

I wouldn't everyone crap at MKWii TASing either. At a high level, real optimization with MKWii is way nastier and time consuming than you think. It's surprising anyone wants to continue TASing this game.

That’s literally true for every single game in the world. You think MKW is special? lol You can at least still TAS this game humanly without having to resort to outside scripting/bots. Try TASing a strategy game with massive amounts of RNG manipulation such as Fire Emblem or Advance Wars optimally… spoiler: you can’t without mathing out every formula in the game and botting the entire TAS.

Just about only some 2D games that don’t require RNG manipulation can be considered easy to TAS.

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ALAKTORN wrote on 11/22/17 at 05:24:31:

OH YEAH WHY AM I NOT GLOATING MORE

I PINNED DOWN KF!TIMUR AFTER 10 FUCKING POSTS

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL GET FUCKED

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MK7: Held a lot of WRs
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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8293 - 12/07/15 at 20:03:43

TASPlasma wrote on 12/06/15 at 22:01:49:

Rhodechill wrote on 12/06/15 at 21:26:34:

Is softdrifting with a pad input of (-3,0) the same as holding northwest on the analog stick while drifting?

No, northwest is (-5, 4), which is not the minimum softdrift value.

Oh wow. How much of a disadvantage is it to be using (-5, 4) inputs instead of (-3,0) inputs? I always use (-5, 4) inputs when I'm personally playing. Do top players like Fox/Totom use (-3,0) inputs naturally?!

ALAKTORN wrote on 12/07/15 at 11:46:58:

Lukas wrote on 12/07/15 at 10:50:04:

I wouldn't everyone crap at MKWii TASing either. At a high level, real optimization with MKWii is way nastier and time consuming than you think. It's surprising anyone wants to continue TASing this game.

That’s literally true for every single game in the world. You think MKW is special? lol You can at least still TAS this game humanly without having to resort to outside scripting/bots. Try TASing a strategy game with massive amounts of RNG manipulation such as Fire Emblem or Advance Wars optimally… spoiler: you can’t without mathing out every formula in the game and botting the entire TAS.

Just about only some 2D games that don’t require RNG manipulation can be considered easy to TAS.

I'd be interested in watching both TASes for games like Fire Emblem with afvanced RNG manipulation as well as without RNG manipulation.

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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Randy166 Ex Member	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8296 - 12/29/15 at 20:03:32 BlazeMSX wrote on 12/29/15 at 19:31:25: Zom, why are you posting videos that were uploaded 1 and a half years ago? I'm sorry, but I'm not Zom. If someone checked me and Zom's IP Addresses then that would prove that we are not alts. I have had it with people lying about me being Zom!
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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa ate 5945 donuts Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8297 - 12/29/15 at 20:30:29 Randy166, why are you posting videos that were uploaded 1 and a half years ago?
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Reply #8298 - 12/29/15 at 20:51:36

Rhodechill wrote on 12/29/15 at 20:30:29:

Randy166, why are you posting videos that were uploaded 1 and a half years ago?

The first video I posted ((TAS) - Night Factory - 2:53.656 by JimJam656) was uploaded 2 weeks ago Smiley

About the second video I posted to this thread ((TAS) - Dry Dry Ruins - 1:43.358 - (1-1-1 Strat) by JimJam656) I posted that video because I thought they would add it to the 'special vids' part of this thread.

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Randy166 Ex Member	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8299 - 12/30/15 at 14:50:14 DS Delfino Square Lap 1 - 39.875 by Rocky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A2Uf6NyYYo Who else thinks there will be a 2:00 sub soon?
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