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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa helped 5945 people Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8250 - 11/14/15 at 20:00:04 1:16 is certainly happening in the next decade guaranteed.
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ALAKTORN Myth Offline Resident weeaboo ate 6518 donuts Italy - Viserba Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8252 - 11/15/15 at 20:24:33 I think 1′16″ is a stretch. And I’m one to usually push predictions, I’ve always claimed lap 1 would sub one day.
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Reply #8253 - 11/16/15 at 19:05:46

To sub , you'd need to cut .475 fr the 3lap, or about .158 per lap.

A few extra MT's and tighter turns could potentially eliminate that .158/lap. If not, there are, for sure, tons of other strats on this course that need to be worked out / tested / optimized.

The turn with the triple MT is extremely wide and flawed. The U-turn could probably even go down .015 each lap. Also, as for the parts of rMC that are most likely to have a strat revamp, I'd guess it'd be somewhere after the shroom spot.

This isn't very helpful, I know. I personally don't know how to cut off .475, I don't think, but in 10 years, I'm sure someone will do it. I shouldn't have guaranteed as it's not a guarantee, just an honest prediction.

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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Reply #8254 - 11/17/15 at 02:39:53

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

To sub , you'd need to cut .475 fr the 3lap, or about .158 per lap.

A few extra MT's and tighter turns could potentially eliminate that .158/lap. If not, there are, for sure, tons of other strats on this course that need to be worked out / tested / optimized.

A few extra MT's where?
I say this because I actually tried to do this in several places and every attempt ended up being slower than the current strats.
I'm not even going to speak about 'tighter' turns.

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

The turn with the triple MT is extremely wide and flawed. The U-turn could probably even go down .015 each lap. Also, as for the parts of rMC that are most likely to have a strat revamp, I'd guess it'd be somewhere after the shroom spot.

I forgot, you know how to TAS right?
The Triple MT is optimized, I spent quite a few hours testing different angle approaches, different turn values on each turn and these were the best results, don't come here writing your crap when you don't know what you are talking about.
The U-turn is as tight as possible, literally any tighter and I hit the wall, you also have to factor in temporary effect the offroad has on a bike when in a shroom state and in a drift . (Any other inputs and I'm either too wide or I hit the wall.)(O wait, you wouldn't know about any of that now would you?)

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

This isn't very helpful, I know. I personally don't know how to cut off .475, I don't think, but in 10 years, I'm sure someone will do it. I shouldn't have guaranteed as it's not a guarantee, just an honest prediction.

Yeah, it's not very helpful, when you 'personally' find out how to cut off .476, let me know.

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DJT wrote on 08/04/12 at 08:12:41:

WiiChuck4life, timing wheelies = (y)

TASPlasma wrote on 11/17/15 at 10:06:12:

not claiming that us MKW TASers are perfect, or even good for that matter, but every time you guys attack us, you either only end up demonstrating that you know significantly less about this game than us, or, you provide no resources for us to actually improve, you just say "oh, that run was shit, lmao".

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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8255 - 11/17/15 at 05:35:27

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

To sub , you'd need to cut .475 fr the 3lap, or about .158 per lap.

A few extra MT's and tighter turns could potentially eliminate that .158/lap. If not, there are, for sure, tons of other strats on this course that need to be worked out / tested / optimized.

The turn with the triple MT is extremely wide and flawed. The U-turn could probably even go down .015 each lap. Also, as for the parts of rMC that are most likely to have a strat revamp, I'd guess it'd be somewhere after the shroom spot.

This isn't very helpful, I know. I personally don't know how to cut off .475, I don't think, but in 10 years, I'm sure someone will do it. I shouldn't have guaranteed as it's not a guarantee, just an honest prediction.

Dont be silly, it is not possile to sub 1.17

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Reply #8256 - 11/17/15 at 07:20:09

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

To sub , you'd need to cut .475 fr the 3lap, or about .158 per lap.

When put that way, it looks a lot more doable. You may have converted me.

As an experienced TASer myself, I consider everyone TASing MKW to be pretty fucking bad TASers, overall; not necessarily through faults of their own (lol Dolphin). Which is why I can see something like ″158 being cut per lap if a good TASer were to attempt it with good TASing tools (lol Dolphin).

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ALAKTORN wrote on 11/22/17 at 05:24:31:

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Re: MKW TAS
Reply #8258 - 11/17/15 at 08:29:59

DwainiumB wrote on 11/17/15 at 02:39:53:

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

To sub , you'd need to cut .475 fr the 3lap, or about .158 per lap.

A few extra MT's and tighter turns could potentially eliminate that .158/lap. If not, there are, for sure, tons of other strats on this course that need to be worked out / tested / optimized.

A few extra MT's where?
I say this because I actually tried to do this in several places and every attempt ended up being slower than the current strats.
I'm not even going to speak about 'tighter' turns.

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

The turn with the triple MT is extremely wide and flawed. The U-turn could probably even go down .015 each lap. Also, as for the parts of rMC that are most likely to have a strat revamp, I'd guess it'd be somewhere after the shroom spot.

I forgot, you know how to TAS right?
The Triple MT is optimized, I spent quite a few hours testing different angle approaches, different turn values on each turn and these were the best results, don't come here writing your crap when you don't know what you are talking about.
The U-turn is as tight as possible, literally any tighter and I hit the wall, you also have to factor in temporary effect the offroad has on a bike when in a shroom state and in a drift . (Any other inputs and I'm either too wide or I hit the wall.)(O wait, you wouldn't know about any of that now would you?)

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

This isn't very helpful, I know. I personally don't know how to cut off .475, I don't think, but in 10 years, I'm sure someone will do it. I shouldn't have guaranteed as it's not a guarantee, just an honest prediction.

Yeah, it's not very helpful, when you 'personally' find out how to cut off .476, let me know.

You act like it should be illegal to predict things Grin

Also, when I say U-turn, I mean the actual U-turn, not the shroomspot. I would have said "shroomspot" if I meant "shroomspot". And it's not just about "Of, if I drift a frame earlier I'll hit the offroad". It's your fucking angles. They're shit. WTF you approaching the shroomspot for parallel to the offroad line next to it? lmao.

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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Reply #8259 - 11/17/15 at 09:34:37

Just because a run "looks" unoptimized doesn't mean it isn't a well-made TAS. We've come to understand a particular standard of perfection in TAS runs, with straight softdrifts and perfect quickhops, but these techniques aren't always faster (e.g. Lukas's KC TAS uses more unconventional lines). With the exception of some lost potential considering the lack of wheel TAS input (which improves turning while in midair), MKWii TASers have a very good idea of how the game works. It's easy for an observer to say stuff without any knowledge of the craft, but I can assure you Dylan's run is fully optimal. I'm even going to suggest it's the MOST optimized TAS run ever made in this game, and this has a lot to do with the simplicity of the track he chose to do - MC3 is the only track that doesn't require wheel TAS inputs to give an advantage, as well as being the only one that exists strictly as a flat plane.

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Reply #8260 - 11/17/15 at 09:52:50

BlazeMSX wrote on 11/17/15 at 09:34:37:

MKWii TASers have a very good idea of how the game works. It's easy for an observer to say stuff without any knowledge of the craft, but I can assure you Dylan's run is fully optimal. I'm even going to suggest it's the MOST optimized TAS run ever made in this game

I have a counterargument but I'm not going to waste my time. We'll just wait and see how silly you look when "the most optimized TAS ever in MKW" esp on the flattest track subs 1:17.

I don't have much TAS knowledge but I do have knowledge of the game itself. You can tell when shit isn't faster, I don't care how fast you soft drifted or got that Mt out, if the angle is off, or the approach, or exit, or whatever, it's slower, and you can only improve if you have knowledge of the track, not just knowledge of TASing, you have to have both.

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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Reply #8261 - 11/17/15 at 10:06:12

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

To sub , you'd need to cut .475 fr the 3lap, or about .158 per lap.

It's funny, I'm fairly close to solving a math problem that proves it's impossible to achieve such a time, with current strats.

Rhodechill wrote on 11/16/15 at 19:05:46:

A few extra MT's

Adding MTs is slower, unless there are more turns to take in the run. Can you point us out where you see these extra turns in the track?

Rhodechill wrote on 11/17/15 at 08:29:59:

It's your fucking angles. They're shit.

Have you still not realized that improving times, is a function of multiple variables, not just turn angles? Getting the ideal turn angle generally requires doing a bad turn beforehand, either by having to hold a drift for too many extra frames, or just take a shitty line beforehand, or approaching the previous turn with a bad angle.

I'm not claiming that us MKW TASers are perfect, or even good for that matter, but every time you guys attack us, you either only end up demonstrating that you know significantly less about this game than us, or, you provide no resources for us to actually improve, you just say "oh, that run was shit, lmao".

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Sorozone wrote on 06/09/11 at 11:35:31:

You'll see it when it's ready.

ALAKTORN wrote on 04/10/18 at 10:03:37:

I’m stupid.

Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47:

Saw little to no softdrifting in that.

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Estaloy Elite Offline MC French records missed 3583 mts	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8262 - 11/17/15 at 14:24:24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1enb_h57z4U the proof that's Shroomless glitch on lap 1 is actually slower. that's sad....
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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa helped 5945 people Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8263 - 11/17/15 at 21:41:37 Estaloy wrote on 11/17/15 at 14:24:24: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1enb_h57z4U the proof that's Shroomless glitch on lap 1 is actually slower. that's sad.... Slower than what? Using a shroom? How?
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Reply #8264 - 11/18/15 at 04:57:25

Rhodechill wrote on 11/17/15 at 21:41:37:

Estaloy wrote on 11/17/15 at 14:24:24:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1enb_h57z4U the proof that's Shroomless glitch on lap 1 is actually slower. that's sad....

Slower than what? Using a shroom? How?

yep, slower than the 3/3 shroom glitch. Because on the "Improvable TASes" site, they say that's shroomless is actually faster but then, I proof, that slower compared to a 3/3 shroom glitch.
I know my run is not very perfect and can be done lower but not by 1 second I think (which how I'm slower to Kasey's run and if you consedering the horrible line of Kasey, you can push done Kasey to)

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Luke B wrote on 03/30/16 at 06:59:51:

if you want to convince anyone except maybe your mother we require this thing called proof not "i wont hack im not like nim"

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Reply #8265 - 11/18/15 at 21:07:23

BlazeMSX wrote on 11/17/15 at 09:34:37:

With the exception of some lost potential considering the lack of wheel TAS input (which improves turning while in midair),

Wheel input is useful on the ground as well. I think it was MKDasher that proved that by making a ghost desync by changing its vertical turn values on MC3 or something like that.

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ALAKTORN wrote on 11/22/17 at 05:24:31:

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kfitz16 Elite Offline 3981 days karting USA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8266 - 11/21/15 at 15:37:49 https://youtu.be/4T_RgUeJb6w LC no super grind BB: 1:08.695 by Kasey
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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa punched 5945 kiddies Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8267 - 11/21/15 at 17:45:29 Strat before the shroomspot is an absolute atrocious mess. 1:08.49x very very possible, very likely,so likely in fact it will happen soon, if anyone bothers TASing this bizarre farfetched category tho.
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kfitz16 Elite Offline fell 3981 times for marty USA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8268 - 11/21/15 at 18:22:07 The description says he's worked at it for the past month, and he used frame advance, TAS input, and TAS code, so even though that turn looks kinda ugly, it's probably still optimized.
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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa 5945 days karting Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8269 - 11/21/15 at 18:54:00 It is possible to know how to use frame advance and TAS code and still not know the ideal lines to take.
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kfitz16 Elite Offline seen 3981 mj vids USA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8271 - 11/22/15 at 07:02:04 TASPlasma wrote on 11/21/15 at 20:56:07: Blackyboi wrote on 06/15/15 at 13:04:14: the LC estimated time is just utter bullshit, without a huge new strat 1:08.350 would be freaking amazing Blaze got 1:08.299 With BB??
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Estaloy Elite Offline MC French records seen 3583 mj vids	Re: MKW TAS Reply #8272 - 11/22/15 at 07:43:59 btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hm2RLPbqRM that's still prelim, I found a big improvement on the first landing so I'm redoing it, with Dwainium also. 46"4xx will be done for sure
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Reply #8273 - 11/22/15 at 07:45:32

kfitz16 wrote on 11/22/15 at 07:02:04:

TASPlasma wrote on 11/21/15 at 20:56:07:

Blackyboi wrote on 06/15/15 at 13:04:14:

the LC estimated time is just utter bullshit, without a huge new strat 1:08.350 would be freaking amazing

Blaze got 1:08.299

With BB??

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DJT wrote on 08/04/12 at 08:12:41:

WiiChuck4life, timing wheelies = (y)

TASPlasma wrote on 11/17/15 at 10:06:12:

not claiming that us MKW TASers are perfect, or even good for that matter, but every time you guys attack us, you either only end up demonstrating that you know significantly less about this game than us, or, you provide no resources for us to actually improve, you just say "oh, that run was shit, lmao".

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