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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa drank 5945 beers Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7375 - 03/07/14 at 13:18:47 Saw little to no softdrifting in that. Also your lines are terrible on the end of the first turn and the beginning of the second.
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blahpy Legend Offline 5457 days karting	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7376 - 03/07/14 at 13:21:55 Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47: Saw little to no softdrifting in that. Also your lines are terrible on the end of the first turn and the beginning of the second. I'm not sure if you're making a joke or just really dumb
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Vega Legend Offline 4952 days karting In the Time Base of Broadway Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7377 - 03/07/14 at 14:18:34 blahpy wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:21:55: Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47: Saw little to no softdrifting in that. Also your lines are terrible on the end of the first turn and the beginning of the second. I'm not sure if you're making a joke or just really dumb Made it obvious for ya.
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Reply #7378 - 03/07/14 at 14:40:23

Vega wrote on 03/07/14 at 14:18:34:

blahpy wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:21:55:

Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47:

Saw little to no softdrifting in that. Also your lines are terrible on the end of the first turn and the beginning of the second.

I'm not sure if you're making a joke or just really dumb Smiley

Made it obvious for ya. Smiley

It was a rhetorical question... Smiley

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TASPlasma Elite Offline P=NP => N=1 v P=0 4129 days karting Santa Cruz, CA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7379 - 03/07/14 at 15:51:03 Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47: Saw little to no softdrifting in that. Also your lines are terrible on the end of the first turn and the beginning of the second.
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OverlordJaws Ex Member	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7380 - 03/07/14 at 16:24:15 Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47: Saw little to no softdrifting in that. Also your lines are terrible on the end of the first turn and the beginning of the second.
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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa 5945 holabolas Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7381 - 03/07/14 at 16:54:06 Care to explain why you think I am being dumb?
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Reply #7382 - 03/07/14 at 17:02:22

Well, for one, I gained time against Lukas's ghost on the first turn... So I guess you also think his turn in his 1:13.856 was terrible? And I lost no time on the second drift as well.

Also, nearly every drift in the TAS was a softdrift. You see that gamecube pad with the numbers? The number stands for the value of the turn. A softdrift is defined as a drift that gets the faster miniturbo charge without being as sharp as -7 or 7. Well, maybe you didn't see, but almost every turn each lap was a 3 magnitude turn, which is the minimum value to get the fastest miniturbo charge.

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Sorozone wrote on 06/09/11 at 11:35:31:

You'll see it when it's ready.

ALAKTORN wrote on 04/10/18 at 10:03:37:

I’m stupid.

Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47:

Saw little to no softdrifting in that.

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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa 5945 sex records Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7383 - 03/08/14 at 17:50:53 Oh, you'll have to forgive my ignorance on the term. I thought soft drifting was when you don't hold the stick all the way to the left, but left and slightly up. Still, though, the lines are not optimal. Even so, you're only losing .001 - .003 per lap max.
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TASPlasma Elite Offline P=NP => N=1 v P=0 4129 days karting Santa Cruz, CA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7384 - 03/08/14 at 19:48:59 If you hit the blue ramp or the boost ramp at the wrong time, you will lose all of the time you gained and then some. Gaining .003 or .001 from lines before or after the blue ramp would ruin the timing to the ramps, thus losing a lot of time. Think Moonview Highway car problem on a micro scale.
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Reply #7385 - 03/08/14 at 20:11:35

Rhodechill wrote on 03/08/14 at 17:50:53:

Oh, you'll have to forgive my ignorance on the term. I thought soft drifting was when you don't hold the stick all the way to the left, but left and slightly up.

You don't hold the stick all the way to the left. Some people do it by left/right and slightly up/down, others (including most TASers) put it somewhere in between of left/right and the middle. It all boils down to personal preference. Here, I'll draw a picture.

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Reply #7386 - 03/09/14 at 02:33:13

Rhodechill wrote on 03/08/14 at 17:50:53:

Oh, you'll have to forgive my ignorance on the term. I thought soft drifting was when you don't hold the stick all the way to the left, but left and slightly up.

Ok, that's a fair call. The way you described is how real players softdrift because accurately holding the stick 3/7 of the way between the centre and edge is not really realistic. In TAS we can do it this way so it allows more fine control.

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Reply #7388 - 03/09/14 at 08:50:53

The turn I am talking about that I believe has the most issues is this one:

I think you might be thinking I'm talking about some other area of the track because the alignment for this turn affects the alignment of the approach to the blue ramp very negligibly.

@Tim: Disappointed in the fact that I was unaware of all the concepts regarding a relatively advanced tech known as softdrifting (which is often easier understood for TASers, and I've never experimented with TAS at all myself)?

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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ALAKTORN Myth Offline Resident weeaboo 6518 holabolas Italy - Viserba Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7389 - 03/09/14 at 09:17:44 I thought Lukas proved that up+right gives a different line than simply mid-way right? or was that David? was this not tested in the MMM TAS?
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Reply #7390 - 03/09/14 at 09:22:34

Rhodechill wrote on 03/09/14 at 08:50:53:

The turn I am talking about that I believe has the most issues is this one:

http://i.imgur.com/tXDxJvk.png

I think you might be thinking I'm talking about some other area of the track because the alignment for this turn affects the alignment of the approach to the blue ramp very negligibly.

@Tim: Disappointed in the fact that I was unaware of all the concepts regarding a relatively advanced tech known as softdrifting (which is often easier understood for TASers, and I've never experimented with TAS at all myself)?

Or disappointed in the fact you stated your concern as a fact rather than an opinion.

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Reply #7391 - 03/09/14 at 09:40:10

ALAKTORN wrote on 03/09/14 at 09:17:44:

I thought Lukas proved that up+right gives a different line than simply mid-way right? or was that David? was this not tested in the MMM TAS?

I'm quite sure it all depends on the horizontal value, since how far the stick is tilted horizontally determines the severity of the drift. In legitimate play, moving the stick into the corner only helps because of the borders around it, as Silver's diagram shows.

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Reply #7392 - 03/09/14 at 10:03:58

Liam I’m not an idiot, but I’m pretty sure I remember David saying he changed the values in a saved ghost to implement vertical movement in drifts to see if they made any difference, and it desynched

in MKDS vertical input matters in some drifts because with bumps you can get some air time which affects your trajectory if you’re fastfalling/slowfalling, I don’t remember if that might’ve been the cause in David’s test

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ALAKTORN wrote on 11/22/17 at 05:24:31:

OH YEAH WHY AM I NOT GLOATING MORE

I PINNED DOWN KF!TIMUR AFTER 10 FUCKING POSTS

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL GET FUCKED

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hahaae Titan Offline post-psychedelia retired 5324 times Arkansas, USA Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7393 - 03/09/14 at 10:16:35 I think ALAKTORN might be right, actually. An easy way for humans to test this is to do a softdrift holding sideways and down, then do one sideways and up. Your trajectory is different. So it would have to be different than just sideways as well.
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Reply #7394 - 03/09/14 at 10:59:55

blahpy wrote on 03/09/14 at 02:33:13:

Rhodechill wrote on 03/08/14 at 17:50:53:

Oh, you'll have to forgive my ignorance on the term. I thought soft drifting was when you don't hold the stick all the way to the left, but left and slightly up.

Ok, that's a fair call. The way you described is how real players softdrift because accurately holding the stick 3/7 of the way between the centre and edge is not really realistic. In TAS we can do it this way so it allows more fine control.

Not really, I do the "tas method" as do many other Wiimote + Nunchuk users.

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OverlordJaws Ex Member	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7395 - 03/09/14 at 11:24:40 I usually do a mix between them depending on the turn. It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it.
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Timothy Titan Offline 6387 holabolas Cambridge, England Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7396 - 03/09/14 at 13:46:21 I'm just stumped people are so retarded about this game at this stage in its life cycle. Sure TAS knuckles down the absolute specific inputs/limits etc but the broad overview of understanding the mechanics is easily inferred from playing/discussing.
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Rhodechill Legend Offline An actual sprite of a SMK Kerpa Derpa 5945 days karting Rainbow Rhode Island Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7397 - 03/09/14 at 20:20:13 wow tim arent you just brilliant
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Timothy Titan Offline 6387 days karting Cambridge, England Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #7398 - 03/09/14 at 23:21:20 Hope that's not sarcasm, after all I put you forward as my POY 2013.
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Reply #7399 - 03/10/14 at 04:13:59

Oh, trust me, it wasn't sarcasm. The fact that you just completely bypass the universal productive concept of trial and error and learning from mistakes, and are able to understand all concepts and all encompassing details in an INSTANT truly makes you brilliant. You've outdone Isaac Newton, you've outdone Da Vinci. What's your IQ? It must exceed 300. Absolutely insane. Be careful, though. If society finds out about your intellectual ability, you will instantly be considered a threat and could very well be hunted down to dissect your brain, because it's just SO fucking powerful.

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RaminGER wrote on 08/14/09 at 12:01:14:

Syzygy [Tim] you are a fucking milkface i like to punch you in your fucking milkface ..

Why'd you cut holes in the face of your moon base? Don't you know about the temperature change?

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