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Reply #5002 - 06/05/12 at 10:09:08

ShitoRyu wrote on 06/05/12 at 09:56:11:

Can anyone get rGV2 CPs?

i have them, there are 2 flap strats but one hasn't been done yet so I am not sure if it's possible but it seems like it is, but i think it's slower, the one shown in the flap TAS is the fastest and can go down to 11 seconds with a better 2nd glitch, if someone makes me the first glitch like in his TAS I will sub 12

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ALAKTORN Myth Offline Resident weeaboo helped 6518 people Italy - Viserba Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #5004 - 06/05/12 at 10:27:17 ^uh… how does it work? you only need to hit the last green one? O_o
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Reply #5006 - 06/05/12 at 10:43:31

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blahpy wrote on 06/05/12 at 01:21:01:

I'm honestly not sure where mine's from, I got a friend to torrent it last year some time but it wouldn't run on my old computer (because it sucked shit)

Good luck though, I'm sure you'd be able to put out some impressive stuff if you got it working!

Don't count on that. I don't really intend on making anything. I'm very low on time at the moment. I just wanted to test out the program on my computer and see how it worked. If I did anything it would be using keyboard only which probably would suck.

Doesn't MKDasher use the keyboard?

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ALAKTORN Myth Offline Resident weeaboo 6518 days karting Italy - Viserba Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #5007 - 06/05/12 at 10:45:55 hahaae wrote on 06/05/12 at 10:43:31: Doesn't MKDasher use the keyboard? lol no
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Reply #5008 - 06/05/12 at 11:27:29

ALAKTORN wrote on 06/05/12 at 10:27:17:

^uh… how does it work? you only need to hit the last green one? O_o

The finish line counts as a checkpoint unless you skip it, then the 1st checkpoint you hit triggers the lap (ie: Maple Treeway useless glitch where you start the lap in the left hut)

What you're doing is:
Starting line -> 2nd checkpoint area (triggered as you shroom away for new sc) -> 3rd checkpoint area (triggered shortly after landing) -> 4th checkpoint via normal driving -> finish line

No checkpoint areas are skipped.

Remember when people tested on shrooming from the finish line pole across the hole and then back across to trigger lap? It didn't count b/c you were in the 2nd checkpoint area already and never touch the 3rd checkpoint area and go straight to the 4th checkpoint area (final one).

I hope this is understandable :x

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Reply #5009 - 06/05/12 at 11:33:48

inviso87 wrote on 06/05/12 at 11:27:29:

ALAKTORN wrote on 06/05/12 at 10:27:17:

^uh… how does it work? you only need to hit the last green one? O_o

The finish line counts as a checkpoint unless you skip it, then the 1st checkpoint you hit triggers the lap (ie: Maple Treeway useless glitch where you start the lap in the left hut)

What you're doing is:
Starting line -> 2nd checkpoint area (triggered as you shroom away for new sc) -> 3rd checkpoint area (triggered shortly after landing) -> 4th checkpoint via normal driving -> finish line

No checkpoint areas are skipped.

Remember when people tested on shrooming from the finish line pole across the hole and then back across to trigger lap? It didn't count b/c you were in the 2nd checkpoint area already and never touch the 3rd checkpoint area and go straight to the 4th checkpoint area (final one).

I hope this is understandable :x

this is wrong actually

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ALAKTORN wrote on 04/27/13 at 08:29:36:

it’s funny to see that Walter is always right in the end

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Reply #5011 - 06/05/12 at 11:53:08

Blackyboi wrote on 06/05/12 at 11:33:48:

inviso87 wrote on 06/05/12 at 11:27:29:

ALAKTORN wrote on 06/05/12 at 10:27:17:

^uh… how does it work? you only need to hit the last green one? O_o

The finish line counts as a checkpoint unless you skip it, then the 1st checkpoint you hit triggers the lap (ie: Maple Treeway useless glitch where you start the lap in the left hut)

What you're doing is:
Starting line -> 2nd checkpoint area (triggered as you shroom away for new sc) -> 3rd checkpoint area (triggered shortly after landing) -> 4th checkpoint via normal driving -> finish line

No checkpoint areas are skipped.

Remember when people tested on shrooming from the finish line pole across the hole and then back across to trigger lap? It didn't count b/c you were in the 2nd checkpoint area already and never touch the 3rd checkpoint area and go straight to the 4th checkpoint area (final one).

I hope this is understandable :x

this is wrong actually

It's been the basis for everything else unless I typo'd somewhere. Where was I wrong?

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Reply #5012 - 06/05/12 at 11:58:34

inviso87 wrote on 06/05/12 at 11:53:08:

Blackyboi wrote on 06/05/12 at 11:33:48:

inviso87 wrote on 06/05/12 at 11:27:29:

ALAKTORN wrote on 06/05/12 at 10:27:17:

^uh… how does it work? you only need to hit the last green one? O_o

The finish line counts as a checkpoint unless you skip it, then the 1st checkpoint you hit triggers the lap (ie: Maple Treeway useless glitch where you start the lap in the left hut)

What you're doing is:
Starting line -> 2nd checkpoint area (triggered as you shroom away for new sc) -> 3rd checkpoint area (triggered shortly after landing) -> 4th checkpoint via normal driving -> finish line

No checkpoint areas are skipped.

Remember when people tested on shrooming from the finish line pole across the hole and then back across to trigger lap? It didn't count b/c you were in the 2nd checkpoint area already and never touch the 3rd checkpoint area and go straight to the 4th checkpoint area (final one).

I hope this is understandable :x

this is wrong actually

It's been the basis for everything else unless I typo'd somewhere. Where was I wrong?

basically everything
i have made tests for about 3 months to understand most parts of the cp glitching system

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ALAKTORN wrote on 04/27/13 at 08:29:36:

it’s funny to see that Walter is always right in the end

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Reply #5015 - 06/05/12 at 23:14:06

ALAKTORN wrote on 06/05/12 at 10:27:17:

^uh… how does it work? you only need to hit the last green one? O_o

This appears to work in the same way as MG or WGM. Remember the blue "checkpoints" are just respawn points and the green ones / finish line are actual checkpoints. Now as usual, you must get EITHER all f the checkpoints (BC, bc3 etc. get all the green checkpoints) OR just the last green checkpoint and finish line (as in MG, GV, WGM etc.) In this instance he appears to do it in the same way that MG or WGM etc. would work, by ONLY getting the last checkpoint. However, it is decieving as he does it in a single jump.

Furthermore, I remember Black saying 13 was possible with a strat he discovered a long time ago, looks like he was right Tongue

As for why it didn't work for Troy, well, he would have done the first part of the lap without the glitch, thus hitting the first checkpoint and causing the need to hit ALL checkpoints. The reason that it works for this strategy is because technically the first checkpoint and the finish line area are part of the same checkpoint, which was left without transferring to the next blue "checkpoint" area. This is why, for example, doing the backwards lap count glitch on Yoshi Falls counts the lap in a wierd place, because it is all a single checkpoint in that area.

Thanks David for posting the checkpoint map, I was equally confused until you posted that and made me understand.

To summarise: The second glitch ONLY works if you do the first one too, and I now have definite proof of the two ways of making laps count, and that checkpoints (at least the start/finish one, and probably all) are actually areas rather than lines.

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Reply #5017 - 06/06/12 at 02:42:21

hahaae wrote on 06/05/12 at 10:43:31:

TellTale wrote on 06/05/12 at 05:32:29:

blahpy wrote on 06/05/12 at 01:21:01:

I'm honestly not sure where mine's from, I got a friend to torrent it last year some time but it wouldn't run on my old computer (because it sucked shit)

Good luck though, I'm sure you'd be able to put out some impressive stuff if you got it working!

Don't count on that. I don't really intend on making anything. I'm very low on time at the moment. I just wanted to test out the program on my computer and see how it worked. If I did anything it would be using keyboard only which probably would suck.

Doesn't MKDasher use the keyboard?

I do, well at least I did. Now Dolphin has a TAS input plugin so that you can emulate the different positions of the pad, however if I dont get used to it I'll keep using the keyboard.

blahpy wrote on 06/06/12 at 01:45:43:

David, do you have a full set of those checkpoint maps with both the blue and green lines?

I don't but I could made them, not now though, I'm really busy with exams at the moment to do a full set. Those images are taken from SZS Modifier (The tool to make Custom Tracks), and I just changed the colours of the "key checkpoints" (green) with paint.

blahpy wrote on 06/05/12 at 23:14:06:

To summarise: The second glitch ONLY works if you do the first one too, and I now have definite proof of the two ways of making laps count, and that checkpoints (at least the start/finish one, and probably all) are actually areas rather than lines.

That's right, yeah.

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Reply #5018 - 06/06/12 at 03:27:23

blahpy wrote on 06/05/12 at 23:14:06:

ALAKTORN wrote on 06/05/12 at 10:27:17:

^uh… how does it work? you only need to hit the last green one? O_o

This appears to work in the same way as MG or WGM. Remember the blue "checkpoints" are just respawn points and the green ones / finish line are actual checkpoints. Now as usual, you must get EITHER all f the checkpoints (BC, bc3 etc. get all the green checkpoints) OR just the last green checkpoint and finish line (as in MG, GV, WGM etc.) In this instance he appears to do it in the same way that MG or WGM etc. would work, by ONLY getting the last checkpoint. However, it is decieving as he does it in a single jump.

Furthermore, I remember Black saying 13 was possible with a strat he discovered a long time ago, looks like he was right Tongue

As for why it didn't work for Troy, well, he would have done the first part of the lap without the glitch, thus hitting the first checkpoint and causing the need to hit ALL checkpoints. The reason that it works for this strategy is because technically the first checkpoint and the finish line area are part of the same checkpoint, which was left without transferring to the next blue "checkpoint" area. This is why, for example, doing the backwards lap count glitch on Yoshi Falls counts the lap in a wierd place, because it is all a single checkpoint in that area.

Thanks David for posting the checkpoint map, I was equally confused until you posted that and made me understand.

To summarise: The second glitch ONLY works if you do the first one too, and I now have definite proof of the two ways of making laps count, and that checkpoints (at least the start/finish one, and probably all) are actually areas rather than lines.

Well figured out. I remember checking the checkpoint map of Maple treeway last time this sort of discussion came up almost a year ago, and I couldn't exactly remember how many 'green' checkpoints there were. I just checked again and there's a lot, meaning a glitch is unlikely.
Also, this theory of yours doesn't explain how the important checkpoint at the u-turn can be skipped, but the lap counts.

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Reply #5019 - 06/06/12 at 03:41:21

I wanted to reply yesterday but appearantly my IP ban seems to get worse, anyone tell an admin to remove it?

For the CP glitch system: The easiest one is 3 or 4 lap count checkpoints: You are not allowed to be in the area between first green and the following blue cp at all if you wanna skip the other lap count CP areas.
You only have to be in the last one after but if you are doing lap skips close to the finish you have to be careful, being in the CP area from last cp to finish are (not last lap count cp area) you have to start over again else it will not count

If this is hard to understand I can show you some example routes with David's pic

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ALAKTORN wrote on 04/27/13 at 08:29:36:

it’s funny to see that Walter is always right in the end

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Reply #5020 - 06/06/12 at 05:52:04

Blackyboi wrote on 06/06/12 at 03:41:21:

I wanted to reply yesterday but appearantly my IP ban seems to get worse, anyone tell an admin to remove it?

For the CP glitch system: The easiest one is 3 or 4 lap count checkpoints: You are not allowed to be in the area between first green and the following blue cp at all if you wanna skip the other lap count CP areas.
You only have to be in the last one after but if you are doing lap skips close to the finish you have to be careful, being in the CP area from last cp to finish are (not last lap count cp area) you have to start over again else it will not count

If this is hard to understand I can show you some example routes with David's pic

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Reply #5021 - 06/06/12 at 07:50:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct9mWoH2Wg8#t=00m17s

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Sorry about the big picture.

Basically, if it were possible with a better clip to get behind that checkpoint, you could get a lap count, in theory (might be possible if aiming at closest bit of land more to the right (from view in yt vid)?).

Edit: Also, it seems that even if that N64BC clip he was trying could get him onto the track, he'd have to pass two more key checkpoints before reaching the finish line (the other being on the boost jump).

Don't know if that would trigger a lap count. Maybe, when considering a track with 4 key checkpoints, you can trigger a lap by passing: 1234, 234, 34, 4?

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inviso87 Legend Offline 6020 sex records New Jersey Gender:	Re: MKW TAS Reply #5022 - 06/06/12 at 08:24:32 It would be absolutely fantastic if we could see each map with green marking off the FF checkpoints. And Black, please show pics of what you mean. I understand the 1st part of it. The 2nd part though, I don't understand at all :x
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Reply #5023 - 06/06/12 at 08:38:20

Inviso, it's the non-FF checkpoints that are the green key checkpoints.
This video means changing the theory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCUXLKOSdE
Here he doesn't actually go back far enough to hit the key checkpoint, and also doesn't hit all of the normal checkpoints on the way back - confused..
I already have a few ideas for some SCs, maybe I'll go and test them on Dolphin. I might make all the checkpoints maps tonight, though it'll take a while :/

Edit: This possibly explains the N64BC SC:

Edit2:
I've started on the checkpoint maps (in order) (now finished):
LC http://imgur.com/M5mrf
MMM http://imgur.com/MkUcW
MG http://imgur.com/AHUHQ
TF http://imgur.com/852oi
MC http://imgur.com/kSwJZ
CM http://imgur.com/g9OOm
DKSC http://imgur.com/glw3i
WGM http://imgur.com/Dbclk
DC http://imgur.com/VQPrH
KC http://imgur.com/nv0C3
MT http://imgur.com/K9efk
GV http://imgur.com/2yOZY
DDR http://imgur.com/0Bvk0
MH http://imgur.com/99wTf
BC http://imgur.com/Hj0mD
RR http://imgur.com/n0DqX
rPB http://imgur.com/TI3vH
rYF http://imgur.com/keOdz
rGV2 http://imgur.com/8Wypg
rMR http://imgur.com/JCJNT
rSL http://imgur.com/lWTG6
rSGB http://imgur.com/yEopy
rDS rhttp://imgur.com/wnx01
rWS http://imgur.com/2meyj
rDH http://imgur.com/ZoQ0t
rBC3 http://imgur.com/nCrXr
rDKJP http://imgur.com/SumXK
rMC http://imgur.com/Zp7nt
rMC3 http://imgur.com/g55AY
rPG http://imgur.com/dpPa6
rDKM http://imgur.com/mTmUM
rBC http://imgur.com/YAFIB

Let me know if there's any link not working or something. I looked at the already glitched tracks maps and the method with which they work seems weird for some of them, but I think I have them figured out.

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