In all honesty, this has been perpetuated for far too long.

For those of you who not experienced in Guitar Hero, the concept I am discussing is simple.  The game allows you to play songs in "Practice Mode" at slower speeds, namely "Slow", "Slower", and "Slowest".  Mathematically speaking, "Slow" is exactly 83.333% of Full Speed.  Comparatively, 50Hz is also exactly 83.333% of 60Hz.  So, astoundingly, despite "Slow" and 50Hz being exact equals in terms of gameplay modification, the manner in which they are treated by the competitive community could not be more different.

In the Guitar Hero community, the rules are strict, simple, and concrete.  Scores, percentages, FCs (full combos) only count on Full Speed.  A person trying to submit an FC on a slower speed would be completely ridiculed for thinking that it was acceptable.  And yet, what we're doing here is no different.  

A common argument for the allowment of 50Hz is "Everything in 50Hz is possible in 60Hz too--it just takes more effort".  Well sure, this also applies to Guitar Hero.  Of course it's possible to play at a faster speed, but it certainly requires more time, effort, and overall, skill.  For one to hit a hard solo in Guitar Hero on Slow does not even compare to hitting it on Full Speed--the differences in speed are so immense, that it is very possible for one to be perfectly capable of hitting a section on Slow without being able to hit it on Full Speed.  Only after one becomes more skilled at the game is he able to hit the section on Full Speed.

The overall point of this little post is this:  I have provided this community with a literally perfect analogy.  Right down to the percentage of speed, the two situations are entirely analogous.  My intent is to point out the extreme difference in the treatment of said gameplay modifications between the two communities, in an effort to produce positive change.  If Guitar Hero does not allow Slow, why should we allow 50Hz?  Obviously, the two communities as a whole are different entities entirely, but the situations themselves are identical.  It astounds me that one community could take such a logical standpoint on this issue, while the other, not so much.  

I realize that this post will be met with much resentment, but at this point I feel there is no other way.  50Hz is Slow.  60Hz is Full Speed.  And Full Speed is all that should count.

You are gonna get ass raped for that post lol.

I also think 60Hz takes more skill.The words of every single 60Hz player after switching to 50hz are: "50Hz is so much easier". I can name individual players who said that and send links to the EXACT POST. That is why we have split rankings. Because 99% of players know that 60Hz is to much harder than 50Hz to be properly compared. The combined rankings are just lol. Most 60Hz top times get pwned by 50Hz top times by half a second or more. Those 50 Hz players must just be way more skilled than us 60Hz players.   *sarcasm*

60Hz can be played anywhere in the world. 50Hz can only be played in a few select countries. I don't see why we can't all just play 60Hz.   It is clear that 50Hz has a huge advantage, so it is unfair to combine the two in one ranking.

Theoretically there is no way one can not agree with your post. I don't disagree, but no agreement either. The difference is 50hz is not that much easier. Everyone knows it is a little easier, but the difference is neglectable. I never played guitar hero, but I can imagine Full Speed would be a lot harder than slow, while in mkdd I would rather call 50hz 'different' instead of 'harder'.

So, in theory you are right, but I think the difference in gameplay is much bigger in Guitar Hero (Full Speed vs. Slow) than in MKDD (60hz vs. 50hz)

btw,, let's keep this topic friendly

àndrew math really is a mongol, he never played 50hz xD how the fuck can you respond to this message xD

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I'm terribly sorry you feel that way, since I made a conscious effort when writing this post to attempt to avoid instances of trolling and to promote civilized discussion.  Granted, my past history would lead you to expect yet another trolling post on this matter, but I assure you, I had no intentions of trolling with this post.  I have done nothing except state my opinion, using an analogy as my support.  Let me attempt to be more reasonable:  50Hz can have their own, separate charts.  But 60Hz-only should be the main charts.

Another ridiculous theory of 60hz. You cannot compare MKDD and......Guitar hero/rock band ( = clic clic clic clic (fail-plastic-guitar masturbating) so I understand it is more simple when it's slower ^^
Sorry Ryan, but I'm fed with that ; men who has never played MKDD 50hz and try hard to show 60hz is the best etc etc...

MKDD is a spiritual game ; when you drive at 100% mentally, you don't know if you are in 60hz or 50hz. When I started 60hz mode, the firsts hours seems fast and hard.. and after a little of training, I had nearly the same feeling with both frequencies (I remember having restarted my GC when the good 60hz feeling was here, to verify if I wasn't in 50Hz !!!)

And with my experience of each Hz, I can say 60hz is fastest, but is mooooore "natural" !! (thats why I beat lot of my 50hz Pr in 60hz)

60hz will never be the "official" ranking ; enough player had already proven that 60hz isn't hardest than 50hz. Aron ftw with his 1'03"9xx on BP in 60hz(the supposed hardest track for 60hz) , better than all 50hz time. And don't talk about Marinous demonstration in 60hz ladder...

Play MKDD, don't be frustrated, and stop complaining please.

hmm, nice op.

I do disagree though. I think the fact that the game gives the option of both 50hz and 60hz is the main contention. If the game offers an option then you should exploit it. If you dont someone else will.

If you think 50hz is easier why dont you play it?

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I live in America, therefore I am not blessed with that option.

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The way I see it, it is better to have 1% of Europeans not be able to play 60Hz than it is to have 100% of Americans not be able to play 50Hz..

Arno G wrote on 12/21/09 at 01:07:32:


I don't need to have played 50Hz to understand facts, and the facts all point to 50Hz being easier.  That is undeniable.

Hahaha Ryan !!!
When the aim of a game is the speed(like GH), so 50hz is easier. But, when, like us on MKDD,  we know perfectly what to do on a track, the only thing we work, is the feeling. A natural speed is better for the feelings than a reduce speed.
Each frequencies has good/bad point. That's all.
It make me laugh the 50/60Hz question is still alive !!

Christian : I'm agree ; I missed more MT in 50hz than 60hz (You must "sharpen" the joystick movement)
And for your last question, I'm sure I can reach and beat my LC 50Hz.. one day, you'll see !! ^^

OK, I'll take a look at this issue from a slightly different viewpoint.  Let's imagine that the Europeans who so earnestly defend their 50Hz are, in fact, telling the truth, and the difference between the two frequencies is negligible.  Regardless of how big the difference is between the two, there is still a difference.  Am I really the only one who thinks it makes sense to have a level playing field??

That's a fair enough point, but in Olympic level track, the situation isn't "some people can choose between black or white whereas some are stuck with only white".  It is what it is--no one has any control over what race they are born.  In MKDD, there is a choice for some, but not others, therefore in the name of fairness, the playing field should be leveled as much as possible.

I remember Andrew ranking of his best players who are all 60hz players. And now you open a topic about 60Hz superiority...
So, Ryan, excepted Bo (one of the karters I respect the most), we see more Americans defending their 60hz than European defending "their" 50hz.  
You cannot clearly judge something you doesn't know. I've done the same mistake with the 60hz which I over-estimated ; men like Marijn, Aron, Hendrik killed the myth of 60hz and motivated me to test this game mode.
In fact, we have to thanks all men like you Ryan ; without you, lot of 50hz would have never test 60hz, and continue to think that Holy Moly was unreachable !! Finally, Andrew has been the only 100% 60hz who has passed Moly !!!  

how do you explain slow at guitar hero on 50hz? since i live in sweden you can also play guitar hero on 50hz but i don't. because it's easier on 60hz.

why the hell do you think mostly players use hyperspeed x2?

you can't compare guitar hero with mkdd.

I really don't agree with this. And i'll show you this time!