Just at a glance the game seems to STRONGLY favor the mafia, not just by a little bit.  Three extra 100% night kills? Using them the first three nights, and if no one gets blocked the first three nights with the regular kill, it's already a near-lock for the mafia no matter how well town does.  Having two "shut up" roles would easily let the mafia keep one person from EVER talking while letting another say some stupid stuff, meaning people would think the person saying stupid stuff was the one silenced, and vote off the other guy because he hadn't said a word at all.  Even if town had lynched a mafia by day two of the first three nights, it'd have been pretty darn tough for them to win.

Say what you want, but the rape of Howes was beautiful. Mafia was well organised and the town apart from MVT was awful. Success!

Who was Mafia btw?
Joe, ... ?

Well I felt a lot of pressure once I had posted that bogus town role as I've never played and I wasnt sure if I should have givein him a name and said shop owner. I took a chance with thinkin there would be more than one vanilla.

Yes I was paranoid of Joe and Tyler after one of our kills didnt go through that they were a spy for town. We had a spy for mafia in town, so I thought it would make for an interesting thing to have a spy in our ranks who couldnt make a kill and didnt know the other towns people, but could lead us astray and "claim" to make the kill or make the kill behind my unstoppable kill leading to just one person dying.  Glad it was just paranoia. I'll post more later, but I gotta do the Christmas thing.

Anyone mind pointing out where I messed up the most, so I can improve my game?  Besides the obvious statement of the town role that I know and regret. Mafia I know how I about messed it up for us by wanting to kill one of you.  Thanks and merry christmas everyone.

-Clay

Wow...good game guys, I was just happy to live to the finish.

I roleblocked AHowes on N1 because he was suspicious as hell, he had no reason to play the way he did as a TOWN Vanilla, so I suspected he was mafia. I figured if he was mafia that he wouldn't be the one performing the night kill because he was so suspicious, but I took that chance.

N2 I roleblocked Sportsguy, I should have picked up on the fact that only one kill was made this night and gone after him, but I figured if there was 0 kills then I could have done it.

N3 I roleblocked Kmacc because he was just being so quiet I was a bit suspicious of him. BIG mistake.

Sorry guys that I didn't play a very good game, but I tried my best, we had to deal with Dave Smith, Tom, and AHowes, as well as MVT that was killed on N1 and is a good player. Who was mafia BTW? Goose, Sportsguy, Clay, Joe, ZootmanX?

Clay  (Magikoopa) - Ganondorf, MAFIA Strong Man (Super Power Role: with extra kill)
Goose - Koume, MAFIA Silencer (Power Role: could take someone out of conversation)
Joe  (Eoj) - Shadow Link, MAFIA Infiltrator (Power Role: Potential sway over MVT and Tim who while they were masons didnt have any power roles)
Sean  (Zootmanx) - Kotake, MAFIA Brain Washer (Power Role: can scramble someone blocking a potential vote)
Tyler  (Sportsguy) - Iron Knuckle, MAFIA Role Blocker (Power Role: can block a role)

Dave Smith - Link, TOWN Jack of All Trades  (Super Power Role: Can do three separate things that are all important) <-------------- (missing in action)
Brett - Saria, TOWN Role Blocker  (Power Role: Can block a role)
Gaff - Princess Zelda, TOWN Scanner (Power Role: Can scan)
Jamie  (Pistaker) - Impa, TOWN Tracker (Power Role: Can see someones actions)
Kmacc - Darunia, TOWN Body Guard (Power Role: Can prevent prevent someones actions)

MVT - Ruto, TOWN Mason (Semi Power: Got a board to talk about things, but no powers)
Tim - Rauru, TOWN Mason (Semi Power: Got a board to talk about things, but no powers)

Cam - Nabooru, TOWN Miller (Anti Power: Shows guilty on a scan) thanks for that info Howes
Christophe  (El Nino) - Goron, TOWN Vanilla
Flo - Zora, TOWN Vanilla
Howes - Hylian, TOWN Vanilla
Matt V - Kokiri, TOWN Vanilla

As far as balance goes, its all there. Dave can do three things, there are five power roles on town and 5 on mafia side. One of mafias powers (Joes) was to be able to spy on two towns who didnt have a special power and didnt know the identities of who did. There's nothing guaranteed in this negotiating abilities and with it being a random draw he could have totally blown that, but he did have potential sway over two votes.

My conclusion is that it would have all gone differently if Dave had played. Not only did he not contribute to the discussion, but he had a kick ass role that he could have used to change the game.  It was imperative that mafia get rid of all of the scanners so that no one could scan dave and find out he was town. I had no idea he was Link of all roles. I just assumed he was a vanilla who didnt like his role so decided not to participate.  I do not understand signing up for this game and then deciding not to play, but maybe he had a family emergency, vacation, or is in the military or something like that where he couldnt have been here.

-Clay

Why the fuck did MVT kill me again while I was a towny!
It's the second time in 2 games.
You should calm down MVT, really...

Then, who killed me?
Koopz, please, could you show every actions that happened during the nights?

Furthermore, I thought you did just fine as a town Howes. I'm new of course and do not know everyones strategies or personality, but you did spend plenty of effort thinking about and typing up those long posts. It just made it easier for us to try and frame you day 2. I think where people are getting onto you is the post about how everyone could be mafia. While damn true, it looks like a mafia tactic to me.

-Clay

I killed Flo on night 1 with the regular kill.  Clay unstoppable killed MVT.

I attempted to, but failed to kill kmacc with a regular kill on night 2.  Clay unstoppable killed Cam.

Fant0m wrote on 12/25/09 at 07:42:27:


It was my idea Flo. You seemed smart enough to figure things out and you were influential in getting Goose lynched. That and you said you were gonna trust Mattv who was randomly suspicious of me and I couldnt have that alliance going against me the next day.

-Clay