I know it has already been discussed and rejected, but personally, I think we should be allowed to turn left on the first jump. I tried it, and it only cut about 1sec off my pr at the time. So should we discuss it again, or am I wasting my time?

Turn LEFT???  
How can you turn left on RiR? to use the SC, you have to turn right imo...  

If you cut just one second of your PR with this time then you are doing something wrong oO
and it is not a question of how much time a SC safes to be not allowed. It´s not allowed cause you jump over a wall to cut a part of a track and not just one corner.
No need for a discussion

I think that if you cut only one second off your PR the rest of your run must have failed  

But, it's still an SC, it cuts off much of the course and probably was not intended by the programmers, since there is no obvious ramp there. So your probably wasting your time.

I've said this so many times. Many of these cuts shouldn't be banned at all. Nick's argument is invalid because a shortcut taking skill doesn't go into consideration when its banned, and it never has been. (see: cheese land, banned choco island 1 strat, donut plains 3, sky garden, yoshi desert, broken pier, riverside park, etc.).

The community (no, not one person, the entire mksc community) needs to decide on a set in stone set of rules for shortcuts, considering that right now some obvious cuts that even look intended arent allowed (yoshi desert, donut plains 3, ribbon road).

I may not play much anymore, but I'll put my two cents in yet again on universal shortcut rules.

1. No lapskipping (driving underwater to complete laps, bouncing into a wall to complete laps, circumventing the finish line in any way, etc.)

2. No bouncing over walls (referring to tracks where you can use water to bounce over walls to skip portions of a track. Parts in tracks such as cheep cheep island's fastest path and using a shroom there would be subject to debate based on communities opinions.)

3. No ticking/longboosting (this one's obvious)

Those are really the only rules that should be in play in my opinion.

Anyways, its been discussed before, but I'm just putting it out there again.

Sounds like Matt wants his KB1 times beaten or is that cutting too much track.

Harvey Kartel wrote on 12/01/09 at 16:59:51:

Maybe they just didn't pay attention to this. Btw, it may have the most poorly designed courses in MK but it's also the game which contains the most courses (40 tracks).

^ Very good point Matt. SMK didn't have mushrooms in its TT's, that's the game that this one is based on. One thing great about SMK's shroomless TT's is that if you're going for a flap and mess up, you can just use one of the remaining laps, but in later Karts you have to start the race over if you've used a shroom.

But MK64 set a precedent by including shrooms in TT's so MKSC followed it.

Yes Etch, I agree with this, it's just like on the MKW site, it's way too late to make drastic changes to the rules, at least for our site's main rankings. We would lose too many good retired players. You just have to be careful to make good rules early in the life of a Kart game's Player's Page because they pretty much become set in stone in the minds of the players. I like the rules the way they are, don't you?  

It's impractical to change a set of rules and expect 100s of players, especially long-retired ones, to reliably go back and re-drive the tracks under the new rules, so you've got a might-makes-right mentality going on with the main rankings. The only way to satisfy the demands of players who want new rules (who are invariably in the minority) is to make a separate set of charts (and standards) for that on the side, which is what we're planning for the MKW page. So if you want SC charts for, say, RiR or RDP3, we can always do it MK64-style...