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Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 6] (Read 7818 times)
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Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1]
Reply #75 - 05/24/09 at 11:56:58
 
johnnywishbone wrote on 05/24/09 at 09:33:04:
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Vote: MVT


MVT clearly knows what he is doing. He's mafia all the way


I won't even try to make a proper response, due to the stupidity and lack of reasoning here.
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Reply #76 - 05/24/09 at 12:07:15
 
To be quite honest I am not sure which way town needs to move forward from here.  Should we just go for someone obviously weak like math or flo, or take a stab at something bigger, like honko for example?   Smiley
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Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1]
Reply #77 - 05/24/09 at 12:19:03
 
SuperYoshi:

padz wrote on 05/24/09 at 09:38:03:
It's a useful tool for picking out those who have barely posted but we shouldn't assume a higher postcount correlates directly to more content.

Roll Eyes

I'd say there is at least one vig in this game especially given the number of people playing. Most closed games tend to have a greater number of power roles in general and vig is par for the course.

Matt, your arguments so far have been either weak as all hell or have just been repeats of what Honko and Etch have said.

karterfreak wrote on 05/24/09 at 10:40:49:
Somehow I knew you would jump on me of all people for making a grudge vote. By all means look at it as suspicious if you really want to, but in all honesty, I consider your complete 180 off of flo (which etch also mentioned) suspicious, and a little unlike your style from the previous game.

Actually it's identical to his style from last game. He's trying to bait mafia and you fell for it. And otherwise you pretty much said exactly what Etch did.

karterfreak wrote on 05/24/09 at 10:40:49:
I myself don't have a reason to vote for flo, other than the grudge I've got against him for making me look like an idiot in the mafia game where I defended him, and he was mafia.

You were mafia too, you knew exactly what you were getting into. Defending him was a retarded move Roll Eyes Don't pretend that you're a victim for making a stupid decision last game. You say it as if you weren't mafia; wouldn't it have been smarter to just say that being mafia last game was irrelevant?

karterfreak wrote on 05/24/09 at 10:40:49:
I'm suspicious of Jabes, Honko, and Math right now. Each of them has either said something suspicious (Jabes and Honko) or hasn't contributed anything decent (Math).

Really? 'Saying something suspicious' is your best argument? At least try to come up with something that sounds reasonable. They are the three easiest people to jump on right now given that half of us want Math gone and the other two are under the spotlight.

What I find funny is that you say both Jabes and Honko are suspect even though they're pretty much on completely different sides so far. That's a pretty safe route to take since if either turn out mafia you can say "oh well at least i got one!" if you're still around by then. You seem to be pretty against Honko, at least moreso than Jabes. Which is odd given that you didn't really rail on him much until Etch tore him part; looks to me like you're trying to side with Etch for some reason. Don't forget that he found your arguments weak as well. Jabes is convenient as well but you didn't actually say why you found him suspect. And try something more convincing than 'well everything has been said about him already so too bad i guess' since that isn't really the case.

You've been on the defensive so far, just like last game and opposite to your style as town. This got you lynched last game. If you want to stay around I'd advise that you try to make some observations for yourself and not just try to squeak by copying other peoples' arguments.

karterfreak wrote on 05/24/09 at 10:40:49:
I'm not going to vote right now until I've come up with who I find more suspicious.

Sounds pretty much exactly like what you said around this point last game huh! Seems like you've already made up your mind on who you want gone and are just waiting to see whichever vote would go over better with town.

Tim: that counts as sliding by. You didn't even try to answer his questions. And the point isn't necessarily to be accurate but rather to just get some kind of information that can be used later in the game. At the very least I hope you try a bit harder from this point.
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Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1]
Reply #78 - 05/24/09 at 12:19:38
 
Lack of reasoning? Son, you don't even know the half of it.
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Reply #79 - 05/24/09 at 12:20:45
 
Shouldn't you go for whoever you find suspicious? 'Taking a stab' at someone sounds pretty random to me. I know there hasn't been loads of content thus far but there have still been several things that people have picked up on.

Howes: you haven't even analysed, let alone deeply. Your one attempt at a finger of suspicion was on MVT, and that was because you didn't read his post properly. Even if things aren't as clear on Day 1, we can still learn a lot from it later in the game. Who are your top suspects at the moment?
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Reply #80 - 05/24/09 at 12:37:23
 
My thoughts...
Flo is either a smart mafia or town, based on his first post.
Fant0m wrote on 05/22/09 at 07:33:48:
Don't you want to tell us how many townies and mafias there are in that game?
and what are the diffenrent power roles?  Huh

If he is mafia, he already knows how many town there are, so all he would gain would be the power roles. Asking this would benefit the town so much more, as it would let them know which power roles are in the game, how many mafias there are, and it would help a lot. Flo is definitely town.
@Padzup- I think you are getting the last two games mixed up. When Flo was mafia, I'm pretty sure Matt was the cop, but last game, Matt was mafia, and Flo wasn't in the game.

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Reply #81 - 05/24/09 at 12:46:49
 
padz wrote on 05/24/09 at 12:19:03:
Matt, your arguments so far have been either weak as all hell or have just been repeats of what Honko and Etch have said.


Kinda hard to make something new out of what's already been said. I would have said the same thing regardless, but that's not exactly easy when I have a limit on my internet that turns it off about an hour when I get back from work, now is it?

padz wrote on 05/24/09 at 12:19:03:
Actually it's identical to his style from last game. He's trying to bait mafia and you fell for it. And otherwise you pretty much said exactly what Etch did.


I'm town, so his mafia bait isn't working that well. I already explained why I haven't said anything new. Everything that needs to be said, has been said. I did however bring up Honko, so I'm at least contributing my opinion.

padz wrote on 05/24/09 at 12:19:03:
karterfreak wrote on 05/24/09 at 10:40:49:
I myself don't have a reason to vote for flo, other than the grudge I've got against him for making me look like an idiot in the mafia game where I defended him, and he was mafia.

You were mafia too, you knew exactly what you were getting into. Defending him was a retarded move Roll Eyes Don't pretend that you're a victim for making a stupid decision last game. You say it as if you weren't mafia; wouldn't it have been smarter to just say that being mafia last game was irrelevant?


I think you're mixing up two completely different games. I was the cop in the game I defended flo, I was mafia in the game where I defended Howes (which put me in a bad place for how badly I defended him). Either way, if you bothered to read last game, you would have known that I would have defended Howes even if I was town, for the same reason I defended flo when I was cop, it seemed like too stupid of a move for a mafia to make.

padz wrote on 05/24/09 at 12:19:03:
Really? 'Saying something suspicious' is your best argument? At least try to come up with something that sounds reasonable. They are the three easiest people to jump on right now given that half of us want Math gone and the other two are under the spotlight.


Honko is suspicious for reasons Etch already said, there's no point in me rephrasing it in another way, because Etch already made his point valid. Jabes is suspicious for the exact reason Darius posted a couple posts ago. Yet again, I won't rephrase it because Darius already made the point quite clear. Math, like everyone has pointed out, hasn't contributed anything except for a oneliner insult. Why wouldn't I be suspicious of him? Nobody else is even remotely suspicious, so there's no point calling them out until they've done something suspicious.


padz wrote on 05/24/09 at 12:19:03:
You've been on the defensive so far, just like last game and opposite to your style as town. This got you lynched last game. If you want to stay around I'd advise that you try to make some observations for yourself and not just try to squeak by copying other peoples' arguments.


The reason that I wasn't defensive in the games that I was town was because I wasn't being accused of anything, and I had more time on my hands, so I had more time to think out my posts.

padz wrote on 05/24/09 at 12:19:03:
karterfreak wrote on 05/24/09 at 10:40:49:
I'm not going to vote right now until I've come up with who I find more suspicious.

Sounds pretty much exactly like what you said around this point last game huh! Seems like you've already made up your mind on who you want gone and are just waiting to see whichever vote would go over better with town.


Or, you know, I might just not know who I consider more suspicious at this time. Hell, if I voted for math, you'd be jumping on me for that too, so its not like it makes a difference whether I vote or not.

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Reply #82 - 05/24/09 at 13:02:31
 
Look at it this way.

If I just sat here and said nothing Honko and Padzup I wouldn't have got you guys to say something. Smiley

Darius wrote on 05/24/09 at 09:42:55:
Sportsguy's vote on BB-X was random, as far as I can tell, how is that a good vote?


If one of the inactive players are mafia, how are we ever going to find out?

Don't tell me that is not a possibility.

Honko wrote on 05/24/09 at 11:40:35:
Hahaha wtf Etch made one of those big posts he hates so much.  Are you high?


Nah, instead of making a hundred bullshit posts I maxed out the character limit.  There is a difference between text and a quote box but in a game like this, actual analysis is helpful in trying to figure out who is who.  I got some people to explain their actions, that's all I wanted.  You and Padzup gave some nice responses so I am satisfied with what I read so far.  Sometimes you have to push people's buttons to learn something about them.  This is when people usually make mistakes.

I already made up my mind.

At least a few members of the mafia have posted so far but most people claim they are a townie.  Stirring up trouble and looking for someone to blame isn't the most exact way to determine who a mafia member is but on day one we just need a good patsy or a sure bet on who to lynch so we at least learn something from it.  This early in the game, I don't understand why some people are so defensive.  Maybe it's because they have a role power for town or the fact they are mafia.  Not everyone who has played this game in the past has used their roles wisely which does make it harder to determine if it's a town or mafia player.

I still say these useless one line posters, new guys, and completely useless players are best choices for a lynch if we want to learn something.  Going on a witch hunt gets us no where and since we have little intuition to what some people are really saying, it's guessing at best.

Lynching karterfreak and him being mafia would make Padzup look genius. Grin
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Reply #83 - 05/24/09 at 13:07:46
 
I am very interested to see your vote today Etch.
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Reply #84 - 05/24/09 at 13:16:01
 
Don't know how I got that mixed up Undecided Sorry.

Fair enough I suppose, I don't want to drag this out too much and you won't be back for a while anyway.

Just a reminder: we have less than 24 hours to come to some kind of decision on who to lynch. Math needs to post some more so we have some kind of clue whether he's going to start contributing at all.

e: didn't see etch's post when posting this.
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Reply #85 - 05/24/09 at 13:25:15
 
We shouldn't even vote for pobre and bbx.  They should just be modkilled at the end of the day.
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Reply #86 - 05/24/09 at 13:33:15
 
If you are mafia, it's not like you have to log in or even post technically.

It's possible they don't know the game has started or are just discussing what to do elsewhere.

They are not doing the town any good so what reason is there to keep them otherwise?

Who knows, we might get lucky.

It's not like me to strike down Pobre but his absence is very peculiar. Smiley
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Reply #87 - 05/24/09 at 13:59:04
 
Is the only reason why i sounded suspicious was because i admitted that i didnt know i was in the game until the time i first posted? Also, someone said that my post about me asking if i should vote for etch or not was a terrible post. How else do you get someone to talk in a mafia game? I wanted to hear from etch, so i said, "so, should i vote for you, etch?"

Then he spoke. Mission: accomplished. Keep your suspicion on me, thats fine, ill keep defending myself with no problem...
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Reply #88 - 05/24/09 at 14:54:07
 
Until BB-X actually says something, then i'm going to keep my vote on him.  I'd like to know why Pobre hasn't been posting.  I think that there has to be a good reason.  Maybe Ivo made up some role of being a mute or something.  I don't know.

Darius seems the most suspicious to me.  It's nothing specific that he has said.  It's just a feeling.
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Reply #89 - 05/24/09 at 15:18:06
 
Etch wrote on 05/24/09 at 13:33:15:
If you are mafia, it's not like you have to log in or even post technically.
It's possible they don't know the game has started or are just discussing what to do elsewhere.
They are not doing the town any good so what reason is there to keep them otherwise?
Who knows, we might get lucky.
It's not like me to strike down Pobre but his absence is very peculiar. Smiley


*ponders* since the mafia know each other, if one of the inactive players was mafia and we put votes on them (say pobre for eg), one would think there may be some move by one/some/all of the other mafia to persuade votes onto another player, as the inactive player cant defend themselves, which could be of help...... tht is of course one of the inactives are mafia of course Roll Eyes

it could also cause that player to suddenly spit some posts out because the heat is on him....

still sticking with math tho, still hasnt given me reason to change votes with time on the clock


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Reply #90 - 05/24/09 at 15:19:40
 
sportsguy bbx is going to be modkilled probably anyways so why vote for him?   it is a waste.  

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Reply #91 - 05/24/09 at 15:20:33
 
borgeman that concept would work if there was no such thing as modkilling.
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Reply #92 - 05/24/09 at 15:24:55
 
George's post after Etch's first post earlier bothers me a bit. He of course must have read what Etch wrote, and when people do this and go along just by saying "yes, agreed, etc.", it usually means that they are mafia trying to jump on the ideas of someone pouring out good ideas. It wouldn't matter whether Etch was mafia or town, it still makes George saying this look bad.

Even if you are townie, there's no reason to post saying that you just agree. May as well use your post to point something else out as well. If you don't agree then post against it. If you do agree, no need to post saying you do, I'm sure a lot of people might feel the same as Etch without stating so.

Darius wrote on 05/24/09 at 09:42:55:
Sportsguy's vote on BB-X was random, as far as I can tell, how is that a good vote?


If a person is inactive, they aren't helping out town, just as people spamming or posting useless one-liners aren't helping out. It may not mean it's the best choice, but voting someone out who's not even participating isn't a bad thing either. If they aren't going to post then they are useless, power role or not.

Speaking of non-posting, I'm still shocked Pobre has yet to show around. He hasn't even been on the forums since before the game started, so it isn't like he is trying to hide being mafia, because he wouldn't have even read the PM yet.. Unless he was mafia and another mafia informed him on aim or something..

TellTale wrote on 05/24/09 at 12:07:15:
To be quite honest I am not sure which way town needs to move forward from here.  Should we just go for someone obviously weak like math or flo, or take a stab at something bigger, like honko for example?   Smiley


Definitely going for a more useless player is a better option. Even if Honko turned out to be mafia, he is posting a lot and bringing some information out of people. If he is mafia, him doing this is still helping us out more than Flo or Math are while being townies.

Another example of this is Matt. Matt so far has been controversial and suspicious to a few it seems, but he is also saying a lot. So if he was mafia, him saying a lot will either bring out some info, or maybe he'll just slip up.

TellTale wrote on 05/24/09 at 13:25:15:
We shouldn't even vote for pobre and bbx.  They should just be modkilled at the end of the day.


I know it's annoying that they aren't posting. However, if your idea of modkilling them did go through and they were both townie, you wouldn't be looking too good.  A little weird and suspicious that you'd want them modkilled though. Killing one useless person on Day 1 is okay, but killing three useless people on Day 1 would put town in a big hole if they all ended up townies.

Pushing for a modkill so much makes you look super suspicious if they aren't mafia. And if at least one is, then you just look lucky.

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Re: Mafia: where is everybody edition [Day 1]
Reply #93 - 05/24/09 at 15:32:50
 
TellTale wrote on 05/24/09 at 15:19:40:
sportsguy bbx is going to be modkilled probably anyways so why vote for him?   it is a waste.  

(WAITING FOR IVO APPROVAL AND WORD)


I'm not so sure IVO would modkill an inactive player because the mafia could have the power to silence someone.
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Reply #94 - 05/24/09 at 15:36:36
 
I am not trying to push for a modkill of them both yet.  I really would like to get ivo, the guy in charges opinion and how we can fairly go about dealing with this.

edit - and by the way pobre has not even been on AIM for a while either !  Very wierd.

edit 2 - this post was directed towards kmacc
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Reply #95 - 05/24/09 at 15:38:34
 
If the people are going to be inactive, modkilling isn't the way to go. If anything, Ivo's best bet would be to see if anyone would like to replace them. If he can't find anyone, then he may just have to leave them in the game.
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Reply #96 - 05/24/09 at 15:59:48
 
How long do we have left?
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Reply #97 - 05/24/09 at 16:08:34
 
@Honko: I think just a bit above 24 hours now.

And to make this post a little bit more productive..

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5 - Andrew Math - (Borgeman, Extol, Howes, KoopZ, MVT)
2 - Superyoshi - (Flo1, Syzygy)
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Reply #98 - 05/24/09 at 16:15:34
 
still not much going on here.  i dont really have much to say except that i have been reading and my thoughts on things as i posted them before still stand.  will have to reread some of the longer posts to give more input there but i dont have time for that now.  will prolly post more tomorrow.  hopefully before the day ends.
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Reply #99 - 05/24/09 at 16:16:45
 
Kmacc wrote on 05/24/09 at 15:24:55:
George's post after Etch's first post earlier bothers me a bit. He of course must have read what Etch wrote, and when people do this and go along just by saying "yes, agreed, etc.", it usually means that they are mafia trying to jump on the ideas of someone pouring out good ideas. It wouldn't matter whether Etch was mafia or town, it still makes George saying this look bad.


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that line was more in reference to the size of the post, due to the fact that it has been a quiet game compared to the last few


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