Darius wrote on 06/08/09 at 08:46:07:



NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

George

You probably meant this one.
http://www.colibri-shop.co.uk/images/goldengun.jpg

Since there always seems to be enough good town players, I don't know how mafia can ever win.

If we let people who won't seriously play or don't pay attention at all, it will always be lopsided.

You give out too many power roles, even a retarded mafia can win.

It's hard to find a good balance but sure makes it amusing each time around here.

Another win for town!

If mafia don't have a constantly open/signed in AIMchat running for the duration of the game, they would be retarded.  Perhaps a Google Doc, etc.

It's quite common for mafia not to be able to talk during the day at all, Scott, yet mafia often win under those conditions. I think there have been several problems for mafia so far: the one we saw most clearly in this game, which was people just not bothering to play; massive overkill on power roles, which happened in Honko's last game; the fact that most people here know each other quite well in general and find it easier to read people than if this game was played on a mafia-only forum; and some straight-up terrible mafia play. My own mafia team were guilty of the last when they tried to get Etch lynched on D1 in a desperate attempt to avoid Howes getting killed.

If people are up for it, I'd play/run the standard newbie setup that I've played on mafiascum.net, which is called F11. You can find the details here:

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11

Essentially, there are always 7 town and 2 scum, but you never know whether there's a cop, doctor or mafia roleblocker. There could only be one power role, or you could have all three. I'm not sure how well it'd work with the much faster days we have here, but it could be interesting to find out.

Dairus: If everyone's signed in to an AIMchat or even easier, if your team makes a google doc or spreadsheet, etc (which is updated as each participant types), it doesn't matter if you're all online at the same time, messages can be easily and efficiently passed.

Yes, but the mafia's leader can have an online "notes" type page which he can edit at all times, then when it's night the rest of the mafia can load it up and see what's up

Yeah. Of course I've never been mafia so I wouldn't know.

Anyone who says mafia can't win is dumb, all it takes is a bit of misdirection and the town is fucked.  Case in point, first game we played on the boards.

edit - because I feel like typing more words and looking like a distinguished poster, town should move on hunches less and plan more.  Mafia should plan less and go on hunches more.  A plan almost always has a pattern of some sort and this is usually what leads to mafia members getting caught and town winning 80% of the games.

All this "mafia has to talk" is bullshit too.  I talked to Goose like three or four times and Clark probably twice(being generous here) and we had no problems whatsoever.