vote borgeman

Math, I dunno what's up with you recently thinking you're some kind of hardcore spammer, but this isn't the topic for it.  You signed up for the game, so play it.

I'm surprised nobody has said anything about Clark. Whether or not it's just his playstyle remains to be seen but for some reason he's eluded suspicion during the Day in past games. Given the pace of this game it might be a good idea to keep an eye on him this time.

That said, Honko is someone to watch out for given that he's trusted in general and that nobody has seen him play as mafia. Same goes for Etch. Not to say that Honko has done anything suspect so far but nobody should be assumed to be town at this point; both of them would be very dangerous as mafia.

and once again a lack of posts to come home to.  right off the bat i wanna vote for andrew cuz he's only posted crap thus far.  despite flo's language barrier, he's at least trying and could potentially be of some use.  if this is the way math is going to post throughout the game, i dont really wanna deal with that.

vote: andrew math

i'll change it if he actually starts saying something useful.  til then though, my vote's on him.

where's jeff?  

still sticking with math atm, until he defends himself since he has a few votes now

at this rate, unless we get some serious discussion, we are probably going to have to decide to randomly vote someone off and hope we guessed right. the way it is now, the mafia only need to post once here and there and it wont look bad cause half the town is also like that and they blend right in

lets hear some chatter

George

Unvote

Vote BB-X

Cos of inactivity. I don't know if he is aware that the game has started
Same goes for Pobre and Etch, but I expect them to be busy atm... so I'll wait until the end to listen to them.
Everyone needs to post at least once otherwise mafia will certainly end up killing one of the non-posters so that we don't have any clue on day 2

Btw, it seems Math is doing crap at this game  
I may end up voting for him by the end of the day if he keep going this way

Disregard my last post about howes.  I didnt read his top of the page post lol.  

Anyway  Math is just being a complete asshole.  What use is he right now.  Completely zero.  It's almost as if he wants to leave the game.  I won't mind assisting until he changes his ways.

Vote Math

Joe Reinreb wrote on 05/22/09 at 12:13:20:


Sup

Right out of the starting gate, Flo has once again established himself as the I don't know what the fuck I am doing kind of guy.  Since the game is closed, only real mafia members would know what kind of roles they have and how many town players there are.  I don't think Flo is clever enough to pretend he doesn't know the answers to these questions which would imply he is mafia.  Probably a stupid townie or an incredibly stupid mafia, the former more likely.

Honko votes for him first probably because it is funny at this point but Oneshot also does without saying much.  Karterfreak later votes for Flo without much explanation.  Kmacc also votes for Flo but under the idea his ineptness as a town member won't be beneficial even if he has a power role.  Seeing who votes for who and if the lynched person is town or mafia at least gives us some idea who to go after next.  MVT argues that keeping him around wouldn't be a bad thing because if he has a power role, he hopefully will keep it a secret this time and possibly help the town out at night.  He can't do that if you guys throw him under the bus immediately.  After that, Honko does a complete 180 by unvoting and says Jabes and Karterfreak are now mafia?  Even Clark smelled some bullshit!  Honko later votes for Jabes on the grounds his post sounds fake.  Maybe it's just me but I don't think Jabes is the kind of guy who can go through a game lying through his teeth.  He doesn't have the time or energy to devote to a game by completely bullshitting.  It's only day one so it's hard to be certain of a player's motive in their posts.  Sportsguy being an smk guy and all knows Jabes' style better than other people here so I am inclined to agree with him.  It's unlikely a mafia player would try and save someone if one vote was placed on them because that will readily make them the next target for the town based on the outcome of day one's lynch.  Matt later explains his poor voting strategy on the grounds he is an idiot.  Howes ironically made a random vote on Jabes early on but also pointed out that the votes called off on Flo are suspicious.  Not that the mafia wants to save his ass but try and find another guy who is better to kill.  If Flo is useless, the mafia should not feel too threatened leaving him alive unlike some other players.  Jabes eventually defends himself which prompted me to finally say something after the other stuff I read recently.

Andrew Math hasn't played this game before here.  Neither has Borgeman which makes his immediate vote on him kind of funny.  How does Andrew respond?  Calls him a jew and makes a vote against him.  Howes, MVT, Cooper, and Extol quickly throw up a vote against Andrew too because this is very strange posting even by Pobre standards.  Unlike Flo, Andrew hasn't said much of anything to indicate if he is town or not.  Maybe he is a no power role townie and can't do anything cool or is no power role mafia and is trying to fake his role.  One would think a mafia power role player would never bring suspicion unto themselves but the last game proved otherwise.  I don't know much about their posting style but I will trust Borgeman with my gut over Andrew initially.  Like Jabes and Sportsguy, I won't rule out the idea Borgeman can also play as a mafia member steathfully but there is little to go on at the moment.  Andrew is a way better choice to lynch than Flo atm and a bandwagon against him doesn't warrant suspicion.

Honko brushes off Andrew's posts as just playful spam while Kmacc sees it as completely useless.  Honko was ready to lynch people making actual posts but all of a sudden Andrew is worth keeping?  He later puts a vote on Kmacc for voting against Flo and later changing his mind in light of voting off Andrew would be better.  The funny thing is Kmacc didn't start the votes on Flo and said earlier he'd get rid of him only because he is useless as a town member.  That's always a good strat for day one since no one really knows anything and you don't want to kill any townies with a power role.  We have better reason to kill Andrew than Flo based on the posts so far.  I feel like the initial votes on Flo without much explanation was a way for the mafia to make us kill him without really thinking about it.  That's easy to do and better than us lynching a mafia member from their point of view. These guys haven't voted against Andrew yet so what's so different between him and Flo?  Maybe Robin wants to encourage some more posting by throwing votes out there but he can't possibly think he has this shit all figured out yet.  I don't know what you are smoking but what you think isn't exactly what is logical.

Syzygy and Superyoshi vote for one another, just for lulz.

Sportsguy made a good vote against BB-X.  Who the fuck is this guy?  Until we hear from him he is definitely suspicious since it is the town's job to figure out who to lynch during the day.  If anyone doesn't try and make any effort to work in that direction, you are against the town.  Darius and Pobre are also mia but I am sure Pobre doesn't even know this started.

Early on, mafia will want to stay under the radar and make it look like they are on the town's team by voting for people that actual town members want to lynch.  If we kill a townie, better to be a useless guy like Andrew.

nice post etch, hopefully more to come from the rest

my first vote was to be one of those vote_for_a_guy_who_has_said_nothing votes, except matt made a dumb post, so he deserved it. and he has yet to give me/us any real opinions on anything. the fact that he voted me straight after i voted him is useless tbh, but it makes me lean initially for him to be a townie - either way i will leave my vote on him till he talks

anywho bed for me

George

Etch, if Math were a powerless mafia he would have already been thrown under the bus. The only reason to keep him around would be to use him as a target for any vigs at Night. This would be a risky play given that he's on the chopping block as it stands and he's useless to them otherwise.

Math could also be a vanilla who's pissed he didn't get a better role so he's just trying to get lynched (I'm going to assume he isn't a town power else he wouldn't behave this way). This means one of two things: either mafia jumps on the bandwagon for an easy lynch or mafia keeps him around to waste vigs' time. This wouldn't be nearly as dangerous for them either way but at the same time it might draw more suspicion on them for knowing Math was town.

However the most likely scenario to me is that Math is some kind of mafia power and is just mucking it up because he's an idiot. If this is the case mafia is probably pretty pissed off at him already and trying to save his bacon so they don't lose a power Day 1.

As for Honko, throwing out a vote and waiting for obvious bandwagons from other players is a valid strat. The rest of your arguments are pretty sound.

I feel I should mention that I was the one who initially said Joe's post sounded fake. Honko simply reiterated my point and voted him for some reason. Not to say that changes my opinion on the matter, his second post doesn't do much for me and honestly I think that you defending him doesn't help either of your cases.

Oneshot needs to post more, or at least some semblance of reasoning. Extol hasn't actually said much in the way of useful information; he just voted Math and summed up Honko's posts. In the past he's only done this as mafia though I suppose he could just be lazy given the general attitude of the game.

Any reason why Howes has randomly started posting votecounts? Seems to me like he doesn't feel like he's helping out enough. So instead of posting something of merit he's just doing votecounts to look like he's contributing. Not to say that they shouldn't be posted in here but it seems odd that this happened out of the blue (although Math is gaining votes quickly). What this means is that at the end of the day when we look at how much everyone has posted, Howes comes off with an above-average number of posts even though he probably hasn't said much more than the rest of us. Really this is just a note to say that it's not a good idea to judge based on postcount alone but rather on content. It's a useful tool for picking out those who have barely posted but we shouldn't assume a higher postcount correlates directly to more content.

Either way we only have about 26 hours left to decide on who to vote for and typically it's a good idea to post lots on Day 1 to be able to do so. Since neither seems to be happening I'm not sure what to do. But probably more annoying than the lack of activity is people whining about it and not posting much else. This game isn't going to be played for you.

Honko wrote on 05/24/09 at 00:23:33:


Somehow I knew you would jump on me of all people for making a grudge vote. By all means look at it as suspicious if you really want to, but in all honesty, I consider your complete 180 off of flo (which etch also mentioned) suspicious, and a little unlike your style from the previous game.

I found it just as suspicious that you jumped on Kmacc for asking a simple question that EVEN flo could answer with a simple "yes, I'll try and help out this game."

Unvote

I myself don't have a reason to vote for flo, other than the grudge I've got against him for making me look like an idiot in the mafia game where I defended him, and he was mafia.

I'm suspicious of Jabes, Honko, and Math right now. Each of them has either said something suspicious (Jabes and Honko) or hasn't contributed anything decent (Math).

I'm not going to vote right now until I've come up with who I find more suspicious.

padz wrote on 05/24/09 at 09:38:03:


Noone knows if there are vigs in this game, even mafia, so the first option is most likeky. Though mafia can as well let him alive for a while to make him looks suspicious, but since he is already on the pace of being this day lynch, I don't see this happening...

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I would tend to say this tool tends to help us almost nothing. Some people tend to do one liners posts to slip under the radar with a decent post count *cough* Syzygy *cough* whilst whilst other who have posted even less have contributed more to the game. This is those one lines writers that we should be more careful...
I think we should count words instead of, it would be WAY MORE revelant

I don't barely say anything, I just post if I feel I can give some input.  Most people try to subtly make it out like they are dishing out hints to keep off the suspect radar. It's only day 1, it's hard to draw accurate conclusions.