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Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth?
04/16/08 at 09:28:26

Before the release many people on these boards expressed concerns that this game would have little depth to it. Now it looks like those concerns were justified. :'(

The problem with playing competitive MKWii is that there is far too little to separate experts from beginners. The auto-charge MT mechanic leaves very little possibility of adding extra MTs on corners, constant SSMT is now useless, and wheelies on the straights does nothing to distinguish between players. All this makes me worry that we will all be pushing the upper limits within a year or less (if this game actually holds our attention for that long).

Not sure about this new 'everybody wins' philosophy. Undecided

I hope someone discovers something soon....

EDIT: I hadn't tried TTs yet when I wrote the above. I have now changed my mind and have just voted NO. It is actually really difficult to drive perfectly in this game, even if the driving system is very simple this time around. In the long run I'm now sure experts will be separated from beginners by a very large margin. Kind of hard to notice the game's finer points while being hit with hundreds of items on wi-fi Grin

But when I tried TTs I realised how great this game actually is!

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yaz King Offline 7393 holabolas	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack dept Reply #1 - 04/16/08 at 09:32:23 too early to say tho i like it simple. i mean, i like SMK (non-NBT of course)
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stelzig Legend Offline helped 7225 people Arhus, Denmark Gender:	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #2 - 04/16/08 at 09:37:38 Well personally i do find it kinda challenging to do wheelies properly because you have to make that completely straight line as soon as possible after a turn. Strategies probably won't change much though and live online racing will be where it's at.
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Timothy Titan Offline 6387 sex records Cambridge, England Gender:	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #3 - 04/16/08 at 09:57:59 I think it is too early to say really. So far I have found it extremely, even tts. Without snaking, the skill comes from being incredibly precise, which is just a different kind of skill. I still find it fun and challenging.
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Reply #4 - 04/16/08 at 10:23:55

Definitely - even I can get into the Top 10 fairly easily.

But about 5 people that I know have the game and they all suck major balls at it, and their times are towards the top tenth of the Mii distribution graph worldwide. So if the people in the top 10% are really at such a low standard, I think there's still quite a sizeable gap in between the good players and the average.

But whether it will be as deep and competitive as previous installments, it's hard to say right now.

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Reply #5 - 04/16/08 at 11:40:27

yes I agree with you Macaque.. judging from the vids, I think it lacks dept indeed. I worry about what you say, that experts might not be differentiated from beginners.... However I can't really say, I haven't played it yet and could not really judge.. Yet the game seems very easy to play perfect.

The claims about this would be the same for SMK is not true. In the first case, SMK is pretty hard to handle and steer. At least it is very challenging for a beginner to hold the kart on track. Second there is a lot of perfection possible in SMK, so even experts could differentiate from each other.

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Reply #6 - 04/16/08 at 11:48:31

Macaque wrote on 04/16/08 at 09:28:26:

Before the release many people on these boards expressed concerns that this game would have little depth to it. Now it looks like those concerns were justified. :'(

The problem with playing competitive MKWii is that there is far too little to separate experts from beginners. The auto-charge MT mechanic leaves very little possibility of adding extra MTs on corners, constant SSMT is now useless, and wheelies on the straights does nothing to distinguish between players. All this makes me worry that we will all be pushing the upper limits within a year or less (if this game actually holds our attention for that long).

Not sure about this new 'everybody wins' philosophy. Undecided

I hope someone discovers something soon....

Dude I feel fully hammering beginners is definately still there, and imo leaving a corner perfectly to instantly wheelie without any directional change afterwards does alot to distinguish players.

In many ways I think SSMTing was almost a "secret" technique, not particularly hard to do, but many otherwise great yet casual MK players who simply didn't do the research didn't bother doing it.

MKWii is now forcing us enthusiasts to step it up even more, plus it's showing us that there is alot more undiscovered talent.

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Reply #7 - 04/16/08 at 11:57:25

denderend wrote on 04/16/08 at 11:40:27:

Second there is a lot of perfection possible in SMK, so even experts could differentiate from each other.

This is exactly what i think is also involved when having to do wheelies. Well at least i find that challenging and i see this is a potential new SMK style kart game. It's about hugging corners and do wheelies perfectly. Moving obstacles is quite annoying regarding TTs though. Like the one i tried (toad's factory - my favourite course). Currently it is not possible to get to the last lap any faster because of moving obstacles so it kinda holds us back. I know i could easily sub 1:56 if it wasn't for these. Well i guess it's a motivation to try and gain that bit of extra time to be able to get past the obstacle earlier, but it's hard to find any opportunities to Tongue

Alot of people also appear to have trouble with bike drifting and cutting corners perfectly. I'm also pretty sure there is an uber SC on the new snow level (don't know the name) that no one has used yet. Well half of it, but i'm quite sure you can shroom over that shortcut section and fly directly over as well... Maybe i should've mentioned that in another topic though =/

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yaz King Offline 7393 sex records	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #8 - 04/16/08 at 12:01:19 i agree with stelzig and i dont agree with party star!
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Party Star Ex Member	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #9 - 04/16/08 at 12:44:21 @Stelzig, Thanks for the clarification! In the video's it just looks like using Wheelie is easy.. However from your explanation, I understand that there is challenge in it. Thats good to hear. Well I just have to wait and see. tommorow I'm gonna try out this game.
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TelpeFion n00b Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! 7701 days karting Helsinki, Finland	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #10 - 04/16/08 at 12:54:09 I definitely think there will be more competiition online vs. just TT competition, seeing how the online mode is actually good.
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Moritz King Offline Owns all Mario Kart Games 7683 days karting Guaíra - PR, Brasil Gender:	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #11 - 04/16/08 at 13:00:23 MKWii is better than anything, it involves a different style (no ssmt but wheelies, no crazy fast mts but smart mts) and doing wheelies and corners really needs perfection, its not simple. MKW changed the MK style but not the spirit. Moritz
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yaz King Offline 7393 sex records	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #12 - 04/16/08 at 13:08:24 i use it sometimes!
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Enhasa Elite Offline Lifer worships 7633 kartgods Northern Ireland Gender:	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #13 - 04/16/08 at 14:25:02 Moritz wrote on 04/16/08 at 13:00:23: MKWii is better than anything, it involves a different style (no ssmt but wheelies, no crazy fast mts but smart mts) and doing wheelies and corners really needs perfection, its not simple. MKW changed the MK style but not the spirit. Moritz qft
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Magiclapras King Offline The guy that keeps disappearing 6253 days karting Australia Gender:	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #14 - 04/17/08 at 23:27:06 Yes. from what ive seen and heard of the game, its to slow and simple.
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Rodriguezjr Karter Offline 6135 days karting United States Gender:	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #15 - 04/20/08 at 11:47:00 I'm going to say so. Maybe I can even get in the 10 ten for Time Trials when the US version comes out.
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DoPe RiDe? Elite Offline was #28 now #last. hit 6966 moles Aus Gender:	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #16 - 04/20/08 at 16:33:48 Rodriguezjr wrote on 04/20/08 at 11:47:00: I'm going to say so. Maybe I can even get in the 10 ten for Time Trials when the US version comes out. how can you say 'no' when you dont have the game yet?
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ALAKTORN Myth Offline Resident weeaboo 6519 days karting Italy - Viserba Gender:	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #17 - 04/20/08 at 16:36:27 DoPe RiDe? wrote on 04/20/08 at 16:33:48: Rodriguezjr wrote on 04/20/08 at 11:47:00: I'm going to say so. Maybe I can even get in the 10 ten for Time Trials when the US version comes out. how can you say 'no' when you dont have the game yet? he said yes
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Reply #18 - 04/20/08 at 16:39:02

ALAKTORN wrote on 04/20/08 at 16:36:27:

DoPe RiDe? wrote on 04/20/08 at 16:33:48:

Rodriguezjr wrote on 04/20/08 at 11:47:00:

I'm going to say so. Maybe I can even get in the 10 ten for Time Trials when the US version comes out.

how can you say 'no' when you dont have the game yet? Roll Eyes

he said yes

He said "yes" it has "no" depth. Kiss

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Reply #19 - 04/20/08 at 16:41:22

stelzig wrote on 04/20/08 at 16:39:02:

ALAKTORN wrote on 04/20/08 at 16:36:27:

DoPe RiDe? wrote on 04/20/08 at 16:33:48:

Rodriguezjr wrote on 04/20/08 at 11:47:00:

I'm going to say so. Maybe I can even get in the 10 ten for Time Trials when the US version comes out.

how can you say 'no' when you dont have the game yet? Roll Eyes

he said yes

He said "yes" it has "no" depth. Kiss

sorry, i thought you thought the same, so i didn't understand why going against him

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ALAKTORN wrote on 11/22/17 at 05:24:31:

OH YEAH WHY AM I NOT GLOATING MORE

I PINNED DOWN KF!TIMUR AFTER 10 FUCKING POSTS

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL GET FUCKED

My YouTube

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MKW: Held 2 3lap WRs, many Flaps
MK7: Held a lot of WRs
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DoPe RiDe? Elite Offline was #28 now #last. hit 6966 moles Aus Gender:	Re: Be honest: Does Mario Kart Wii lack depth? Reply #20 - 04/20/08 at 18:16:39 stelzig wrote on 04/20/08 at 16:39:02: He said "yes" it has "no" depth. Oh, I read it as "I'm going to say no"
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Reply #21 - 04/30/08 at 13:01:44

Enhasa wrote on 04/16/08 at 14:25:02:

Moritz wrote on 04/16/08 at 13:00:23:

MKWii is better than anything, it involves a different style (no ssmt but wheelies, no crazy fast mts but smart mts) and doing wheelies and corners really needs perfection, its not simple.

MKW changed the MK style but not the spirit. Wink

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Question: Does Mario Kart Wii lack the depth of previous Mario Karts?
Yes 20 (40.8%) No 16 (32.6%) Not sure 13 (26.5%) Total votes: 49 « Created by: Macaque on: 04/16/08 at 09:28:26 »