Kmacc wrote on 04/13/08 at 12:19:33:

After you finish a run it shows your top 5 times and your best lap. You just can't view flaps without playing the course first.

One chart.

There should not be separate charts.  The handling of the karts and bikes is actually not all that different.  If we are to have separate charts for bikes then also put in manual/automatic charts & charts for times driven with the Wii wheel.

Bikes are going to take most of the WRs in this game.  The ability to spam wheelies is extremely powerful, and works particularly well in TTs, not being able to get red sparks is ony a small price to pay.   Karts are screwed.  Where MKDS had snakers VS. non-snakers MKWii has karts VS. Bikes

Macaque wrote on 04/14/08 at 04:10:10:


That's actually not a bad idea

oneshotbilly wrote on 04/15/08 at 01:30:53:


bullshit; MKDD is all kart. this is about function, not appearance. if it handles like a kart, then it's a "kart", and all vehicles in MKDD handle like a kart. Bikes, on the other hand, obviously are not "karts", because you use different driving techniques.

Maybe one chart is the best idea, but then, seeing that bikes will dominate, to call this game MarioKart is stretching things a bit .

finn

denderend wrote on 04/16/08 at 01:26:37:

I don't know where you got this idea from. Because now you need 2 techniques (MT and wheelie) instead of just one (MT)? If so then yeeaaah, it's more like an F-Zero game. But FZ games (except the original) all have much more techniques. I think it's much closer to SMK than any FZ game.

Is Finn a bit sensitvie or something  

BenB wrote on 04/17/08 at 05:44:27:


Nothing bad about F-Zero nor MKWii.. I used to be a F-Zero and F-Zero X fan myself back in the nineties. I'm on of the early TT submitters in both MK as F-zero to one of the first well know TT/ highscore sites back in 1996...  

Don't know exactly how to explain. just came to my mind... read someone else using this idea as well, so its not my idea  Tonight I will try out MKWii..

I don't have the game yet (which is what I voted for), so take what I have to say as a grain of salt.

Logically, to me at least, it makes the most sense to have one single chart. Looking at it from the big picture perspective, you're doing the exact same thing with karts that you are with bikes - you're abusing the advantages of the vehicle you're using to attain the fastest time possible. It's just that this time round the tactics used are drastically different between the two opposing vehicles.

I think if any decision is to be made, we need to wait. 6 months from now, if half the tracks best times are done with karts and the other half are done with bikes, it would be really silly to split the charts since, despite the tactical differences between karts and bikes, the end result is nearly the same. And if 6 months from now one totally dominates the other? Well, I didn't exactly cry fowl when I first came to this site and learned that the Train kart in MKDD was much better than Toad's kart, my favorite kart in MKDD (the train is ugly, Toad's kart is much cooler looking).

Don't forget, during the big prb debate in mkds, I specifically remember the admins stating that separate charts was last resort. The 50/60hz charts in MKDD and the prb/non-prb charts in MKDS are both completely different ballparks than the debate between karts and bikes in MKWii.

Using only Bowser's Hurricane kart on all tracks in MKDS would no doubt be much different than the current standard of play and would probably offer a strong competitive scene, but those reasons by themselves were never enough in any game to create separate charts.

finn wrote on 04/17/08 at 13:04:31:


The point was that there was a reason the train kart was used instead of the toad kart - it handled differently in a way that enabled it to get faster times. The kart/bike relationship is exactly the same, except the degree of difference between the two is much larger (but the end result is the same).

It might be a "different game" between the two, but refer back to my example of Bowser's Hurricane kart in MKDS.

Camster wrote on 04/17/08 at 13:27:53:


well, in MK64 you have two charts: non-shortcuts and short-cuts. If we should adhere to the principle of going as fast as possible by any means available and fuck all other considerations, we'd only have one chart there, too - and that would have turned MK64 into a totally different scene. So there you have something good being achieved by setting up two charts.

finn

Camster wrote on 04/18/08 at 07:54:28:


I agree with you, this seems the sensible attitude to adopt.
    Just asked Lacey about the game, and he thought bikes would dominate completely. If so, then we'll obviously have two different games. And I really don't understand why Nintendo has done anything this stupid. At least they should then have set up the game to register best kart and best bike times. I mean; what's the point in having a whole class of vehicles that noone in their right mind will ever use?

I guess dinosaurs just aren't very rational animals

finn

PS. I may still dream about some kart nuts setting up a separate kart chart. If the kart part turns out to be a good kart game, that might perhaps be a viable idea. But I realize that that probably is very much a dream.

Honko wrote on 04/18/08 at 11:56:12:


so the bikes are the karts, in a way ?

I'll settle for hoping you're right there. In a week I'll be able to see for myself.

finn