What if some people quit the site before that decision is made though?  We may have no idea what vehicle they used.

Michael F wrote on 04/11/08 at 09:16:13:


I'm agree with Fried about that. BTW I have a doubt, since 3-4 months ago we have been speaking about suggestions for the MKWII site, but are there someone working on it? I don't want to seem impatient, I only ask this cause I hadn't read any post about that.

Maybe I ought to shut up, as I don't know whether I'll be playing this game, but it seems pretty obvious to me that if bikes and karts requires different techniques, then you can't compare times. You will simply have two different games in one.
   I think that different charts then will have to be established in the end.
   Maybe karts will be faster on some tracks, bikes on others. But those who favour karts will not be content with half a game, nor will the biker enthusiasts. Besides; why shouldn't we want two games instead of one? Twice the fun, wouldn't you say?

finn

If the bikes and karts save separate times in the game, then I'd say separate...however, if your fastest time with Bike is better than your fastest time with Kart, and you only see the Bike time, then we should only have 1 leaderboard.  If the OFFICIAL site has 2 leaderboards WITHOUT THE GAME HAVING TWO, I will not compete. Simple as that.

finn wrote on 04/11/08 at 14:28:00:


Yes it's definately important to play both. I haven't time trialled much yet, but it does seem as if karts do have thier place depending on the track.

Moritz wrote on 04/11/08 at 15:32:15:


Yes, I agree totally.  I think a lot of other people would do the same.  Your point about trains etc not being karts is also totally valid.  I don't quit think that the non-bike people have a very good argument there...

I voted no. It would be a bad idea to have separate charts.

BHOJ wrote on 04/12/08 at 05:38:46:


Nice, and I'm gonna invite you here to unlock for me everything on second license too.

Moritz

Separating them is really stupid. Thy're only different choices of vehicle - we may as well then make a different chart for each individual bike/kart. 1,2, and 3 items karts weren't separated in MKDS.

Based on what I heard from people, those are two very different playing styles, so, yes.

Astr0 wrote on 04/13/08 at 08:46:55:


if you find new techniques, then they'll be improvements on either bike or kart driving techniques, and thus there'll be no need to add new charts. mkdd has had considerable development of the driving techniques, and I don't think anyone has craved new charts because of that.
    my point is that in a way you have two different games in one here; "mariokart" and "mariobike", which cannot really be compared because different driving techniques are employed. and this not an anlaoge situation to the one in MK64 and mkdd, where you can chose between different characters/vehicles which are all maneouvred in the same way/by the same techniques. (the differences are meaningful in multiplayer modes, but not in TT, where most characters/vehicles are ruled out because you cannot go as fast using them.)

ok, tt is about getting the fastest times by the means available, and you may say that if bikes are superior, then this will be a bike game. that's a tenable position, of course. it's just that I had wanted a kart game. and knowing that there is a kart game in here which will not be played because there are no charts where times can be registered, is a sad one to me :'(.

as for the 50/60 question, I'd say that by now there must be so few people left who are forced to play 50hz, that we safely can demand that people play 60hz. imo. that should have been done from the start in MKDD, too. and then there will be no need whatsoever to register 50hz times.

finn

TheMaister wrote on 04/13/08 at 10:19:46:


I don't see why we should let big N get to decide, considering how little they know and care about time trial .

people in favour of one chart seem to ignore the fact that bikes and karts are different in a radical way. that they are, does not mean that we are logically forced to see two charts as the only solution, but I'd still like to have this difference recognized.
    if there's an even distribution of tracks which favour karts and tracks which favour bikes, then it's maybe not so bad to have one chart. one chart of course is a better solution in itself (even though  one might argue that two charts means twice as much fun!). but if it's unbalanced, I'd say two charts is called for.

finn