I'm glad for the new MTs, but that isn't exactly what I pictured.

i agree with that guy, it does look really simplified.
but im still going to get it because of its online play

I still don't get it. I heard this from many places now and one of my thoughts against was a video where you see an almost straight slide giving an MT anyway. Many of the MTs in that video was the same (and i would pretty much classify them as SSMTs) so i just don't get why SSMTing would have to be gone for good. I also heard someone say there was a mechanism that made it only work on turns (wtf), but even if that is the case then you would most likely be able to trick the game to think you took a turn. Not to mention there are alot of small curves which are the places i have seen them been done very straight so sliding around the track all the time doesn't seem like an impossibility to me...

Edit: Read your article as well now and yeah... I got brawl now and right now i am quite dissapointed in it. And the online is lagging too much
Btw, items can be tured off in mkwii so i think that's what most of us are going to do. Or at least only play with green shells and banana peels.

Agreed, SSMTs are in, some of the videos already show MTs which are pretty much SSMTs.  

The video does show, for certain, the difference between manual and automatic:

Automatic Drift
1. You will drift automatically when turning.
2. When you turn, you won't slow down (you won't be able to hop or use mini-turbos).

Manual drift
1. After you hop, you will begin drifting
2. Keep drifting to get a speed boost.

Damn, I was hoping manual drift meant MKDD style MTs, this game is looking a bit over simplified now   Lets hope there is a kart which can get the sparks reasonably fast.

Tricking is definately not gonna be used on turns though.  Halfway through wario is right behind peach and takes lik 5 seconds in the air and is way behind peach after the "boost."

So the MTs will be used on the corners lol

I'm dissapointed because it's so slow (it actually feels even slower when playing it and i thought it looked slow from watching videos) and lacks pretty much in everything that made ssbm great (please don't give me the "This isn't melee v2 stop comparing it to melee this is a new game" i am aware of that, but it IS smash v3 and it IS the same series so it can and should be compared. I expected a sequel to a game so some things should be in the next one. I got it, but they took all the wrong things out and added all the wrong things in).
But yeah right now it's mostly the speed that bothers me. I'm thinking so fast because of melee experience that i'm already busy doing the next move before the first move animation ever started which even sometimes results in doing different moves than my initial intention. Combine it with lag and it feels even slower because of the input-delay
I also think the 1-up vid interview that gimpyfish uploaded explains it pretty well (from rock paper scissors to just rock scissors) http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Sx4g2GFRg
And i agree with him that this game will have a backwards progression and get more and more defensive and stalling.
Note: This is off course only first impression, but i just don't see it changing. I don't think this will be a smash that i can keep on playing for years like i could (and still can) with melee.

/off-topic.

lag doesn't mean nearly as much in kart.

Ostro wrote on 03/27/08 at 03:18:50:


Yeah i agree with Ostro too, if you watch in the vid when DK is on the Bike he does one MT and then starts to do another one, i know it happens on a corner but this doesnt go to say we cant start up an MT on straights.

^Yeah, but since drifts can be much more straight appearently then that doesn't really matter. Don't even have to ZZMT to do it on straights

In vids with Koopa and Toad's karts their MTs seem fast enough that SSMT isn't going anywhere. Long story short most reviewers suck at Mario Kart too much to be able to tell. If you look at IGN's SSMT "tutorial" they get 1'36 on F8

stelzig, I'm more disappointed at SSBB because of how bored I got of it after such a short time period. The SSE was a great addition as was WiFi, but there wasn't much else but new characters and stages. Though not new, I do enjoy the targets in this game a hell of a lot more than Melee. So, I've got little to do with the game but WiFi, targets, and vs. (not to mention I have troubles connecting to the WiFi and with its lag!)

Brawl aside, maybe MKWii will have their MT length physics like MKDS, as in maybe slower characters will have quicker and longer MTs while faster characters will have slower and shorter MTs (meaning slow characters will probably dominate again).

I wont buy this game if i cant Mt  
Mario Kart will suck without Mts  

I don't know why everyone is disappointed that MT's are toned down a little. Personally I don't really care, I'll pay (and compete) within whatever physics are in the game. The series never released two carbon copies gameplay-wise. It's clear that MT's have been part of the game since MK64 (excluding MKCS) but why hope for a certain degree of helpfulness/advantageousness regarding MT's? that doesn't really make sense to me.

It's clear that MT's are in, and logically SSMT's are in. The removal of snaking, which is essentially the toning down of MT's, is a move by Nintendo that's really not so surprising when considering the Wii's philosophy of "fun for everyone". Whether we like it or not, our version of "fun" in MK is totally different than that of "most people". When it comes to the Wii, Nintendo definitely wants to satisfy "most people" and not a very (very) small group of elite players.

IMO, the reason why a lot of people complained about snaking in MKDS is because most gamer like to think that they are pretty good at games. Most gamers like to think that they can pick up a game and hold their own. When wifi came in MKDS those gamers got pissed off because they have absolutely 0% chance to win because snaking gave a huge speed advantage (the same is true for MKDD but that game wasn't on wifi yet so a lot less people complained). So yeah, you know as much as I do that people complained... whether it's a right or wrong thing to complain about is debatable but the bottom line is that people complained and a lot of people were not having fun. How does Nintendo fix this? It's simple, tone down the MT's to give to those gamers the impression of not being absolutely impossible to win. Those players are now happy(er). Shouldn't we be happy as long as it's a fun game to compete in? Look at SMK: MT's don't make great players, hard work does. As long that wifi on MKWii isn't a pure coin flip and that skill has a part in winning, I'll probably be happy.