Diamond wrote on 10/30/18 at 19:32:56:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1mwHTkefzU

Vega wrote on 10/29/18 at 10:10:33:


It's not a strawman. There is a legitimate argument to be made about banning top players from having their records counted who refuse to communicate with the community and do not play on ctgp. This has already been pointed out by a few peeps yet you call me out Unless you still want debates about a player's legitimacy in 2018!

If anything, you're the one strawmanning by bringing up his nationality which holds no weight to the discussion. The reason why he and similar players have been getting a "free pass" is by the proof standards giving too much benefit of the doubt.

Hype month everyone Waiting for the illustrious 1:58.945

WL95★Jaxon wrote on 10/31/18 at 20:42:04:

Instead of grading why don't yall actually make your own points and argue back against me? Is this not why we're amidst a discussion? Different people are expected to have different viewpoints on what they think is best going forward.
I for one believe both Suiryu and Niyake are legit, however I am more in favor of withholding their accomplishments until they do something to prove themselves instead of us holding their hand. If no one else agrees with me and thinks I'm presenting something fallacious why is there any discussion?  Just count their records if not counting them has huge catastrophic consequences the community can't address

WL95★Jaxon wrote on 10/31/18 at 21:06:15:


Of course there's no evidence! Why do think I'm saying the current proof standards are heavily based on giving benefit of the doubt to the players? Mind you there's no evidence supporting they're legit either. So by your argument I am able to say, "I don't think that there is enough (if any) evidence to prove that they should be counted." We can agree to disagree here
You're just denying ctgp is cheater-proof. Do you not want this community thriving with players who are 100% legit thanks to ctgp? I'd rather see a Suiryu playing on ctgp and know he's the real deal then continue with these debates.

Oh and nice strawman btw. Who cares about the irony of ctgp being a hacked software. Has nothing to do with anything going on here.

Does Suiryu still have a Skype account? I recall having him added a few years back, I think to contact him in regards to submitting to the PP. Maybe NMeade or someone still has him added if he still uses the account?

I doubt this run is cheated, as there's literally nothing special about it. But fair is fair in the world of records needing to be proven, I suppose. I'd personally count it, but I'd see why some wouldn't.

I highly think suiryu uses certain websites in order to stay updated whenever someone's going to improve a WR etc. He still cares about the game. DK's WR was set on CTGP and uploaded to CTGP RECORDS. He should know about it's existence.

Now we have to tell him that CTGP is a much safer source and that he should get it in order to make his times count on mkwrs. Here are some options:

- Everyone comment GET CTGP under his next record
- Make a notification on mkwrs / Pending Player section that suiryu should download CTGP or at least post a statement on twitter
- Ask other japanese players who can contact Nagisa or suiryu over twitter

Same with Niyake  

(Sorry, this msg is handicapped. It was probably crap, anyway.)

WL95★Jaxon wrote on 11/01/18 at 08:34:57:


GET CTGP

Here is the 1'59"171 on DS Peach Gardens by Brett.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdLyOjbLhCQ&t=5s

http://chadsoft.co.uk/time-trials/rkgd/9C/C6/3589B8DECFF62C6658ABEEA2364E7052...

RosscoXz wrote on 11/02/18 at 03:17:38:


Ofc 17 is possible with the 'Niyake entrance'.

I'm going to try to respond as best as I can to some things here to clear up some misconceptions, since it seems not many people know much about the whole situation and are simply throwing things out. I'm neutral on whether or not suiryu's times count but I'll at least try to give a better understanding of it so you can all make more educated decisions.

InnovΔ wrote on 10/29/18 at 07:06:27:

Suiryu has "relied" on Nagisa to upload his runs for over 6 years now, the fact that Nagisa no longer plays anymore has no relevance. This fact that suiryu's runs get uploaded by Nagisa has not changed whatsoever. Nagisa probably does not "have" the ghost, I'll explain later on in the post.

ZedR wrote on 10/29/18 at 15:16:41:


Infi downloaded CTGP through his own will, not to prove himself to anyone. He downloaded them because he had interest in CTs, which is shown by the fact that he had times on CTGP before he started playing regular tracks again.
DK is a part of the community, it's easy to ask him to do things.
If you're someone simply TTing normal tracks, what point is there for them to get CTGP? Especially if they aren't trying to appeal to the community that they have no part in. People saying "there's no excuse to not have CTGP in 2018" aren't even trying to understand that for a lot of people there's really no point to get CTGP especially if they don't know about a lot of the features like it being cheat proof. If all the person does is TT they would never even think of getting CTGP.


AlexS wrote on 11/01/18 at 04:53:05:


I'm surprised this isn't more common knowledge but I guess TTers never had the chance to interact with suiryu/Nagisa (save for a few). I know people who were personal friends with Nagisa and they all confirm that Nagisa/suiryu were IRL friends for a long time, hence why suiryu has always relied on Nagisa to upload his runs for him and also why they were very regularly partners in online tournaments. The situation between them seems to not have changed besides the fact that both of them no longer have contact with the Japanese community. I've talked to many old Japanese players and all of them don't have contact with suiryu anymore.
There are 2 probably scenarios regarding suiryu's uploaded runs:
1. Suiryu records them himself and sends/brings the file to Nagisa to upload it for him
2. Suiryu brings his Wii over for Nagisa to record it for him.


It seems like people are assuming suiryu is simply "avoiding" providing proof to the western community but this is very far from the truth, he has no contact with anyone, western or japanese, theres no reason why he would know what you people are saying on the forums and from past experience as well, neither Nagisa nor suiryu read the comments on the video.

It's amazing to me that a community that has problems like this can't even do something as simple as making a rules page on the most widely known website (mkwrs) to avoid situations like this, this was seen with Hibiki's situation, Nim's situation, and now suiryu's...  How many misunderstandings and situations like this need to happen before you people decide to actually do something about it other than complain?

And to play devil's advocate, from the Japanese perspective they can very much so refuse to provide "proof" to the western community because they are completely separate communities and they follow their own rules and do their own thing. They very much so still follow the "innocent until proven guilty" mindset as they have a lot of trust in their community.

And to address the comments saying "if this guy was western there would be TAS accusations out the ass", well.. obviously? In the entire span of the game we've only had one confirmed Japanese cheater, and the western community has been filled with them. Their culture is very different and statistically speaking, it's far less likely for a Japanese person to be a cheater than a European or a North American. Of course, this isn't really "proof", just my opinion on why so many people trust Japanese players.

Hopefully this clears some things up and if you have questions I can try to answer them to the best of my ability.