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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16350 - 06/13/13 at 14:53:23
 
LASH wrote on 06/13/13 at 14:19:34:
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I didn't notice this  Embarrassed

Probably faked progress to make himself look like a trusted/old player.
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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16351 - 06/13/13 at 15:05:41
 
hahaae wrote on 06/13/13 at 14:15:00:
No. One does not simply get a miracle run with a lot of luck wheelies; if they do, they cheated 9/10 times. There's a reason why WR activity there is so low. This guy is unknown even to the Japanese and anyone who believes him is a fucking dumbass and should be shot for being so stupid.


We know that it's not likely to happen, but it can happen.
Also, I don't believe he is legit, I just wanted to see if the players page finally starts to doubt japanese players.
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ALAKTORN wrote on 04/27/13 at 08:29:36:
it’s funny to see that Walter is always right in the end

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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16352 - 06/13/13 at 15:15:51
 
Blackyboi wrote on 06/13/13 at 14:06:42:
you banned a completly legit player of your rankings for "TAS live replay" which doesn't even exist for the controller he uses.

Uh-huh...Didn't Maschell already prove that belief to be garbage? And before you say it, no, I don't believe that "No one's made that code for a certain region yet" is an excuse. I know you ported some codes yourself, and I don't believe for a second that that could be possible with some codes but not with others.

hahaae wrote on 06/13/13 at 14:15:00:
No. One does not simply get a miracle run with a lot of luck wheelies; if they do, they cheated 9/10 times. There's a reason why WR activity there is so low. This guy is unknown even to the Japanese and anyone who believes him is a fucking dumbass and should be shot for being so stupid.

I don't believe this guy, but "too many luck wheelies" is a weak argument on Luigi Circuit. You pretty much need lots of good chain wheelies to even stand a chance on this course. The fact that he's unknown and has times that were apparently set at ridiculous dates is far more damning than an abundance of perfect chains.
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Reply #16353 - 06/14/13 at 03:52:46
 
Walter really is the poison that's killing this community and game, TT wise.

I wouldn't even be surprised if that guy was Walter. I'm gonna ask BTL's leader to see if, indeed, there was someone in BTL ever named Aokiji.
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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16354 - 06/14/13 at 05:56:23
 
Someone that isn't known in any communities, nor posted the time himself, had a time better than the WR in 2008 without posting it, should be legit?
More than just suspisious..
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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16355 - 06/14/13 at 09:22:30
 
Blackyboi wrote on 06/13/13 at 14:13:19:
but Maschell can check when the ghosts have been added to the data base.

No I can't

My site is just guessing the date FROM THE GHOSTFILE and the ghost is getting it from the wii date. I DONT KNOW how exactly how the date is calculated.
I'm getting this from only 3 bytes.For example I dont how the date is stored after 2015 (because of this you see the N/A's Wink )


@2015 dates: When you remove the button battery (on the bottom of your Wii) the Wii date is fucked up and says something in the future.

Maybe he just didnt cared about the wii date.. That would explain the 2015 times Wink


Even my profile on the page it fucked up because of this.
http://www.ninrankings.org/ghostdatabase/profil.php?id=3260230652

PS: isnt there an other option for faking the controller even public yet? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY-DJaKTV40)
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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16356 - 06/14/13 at 11:25:14
 
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cool code, but you really shouldn't release this when it is finished. People will lie about using wii wheel, and get credit for 'fastest rime with wii wheel'


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I know that´s the fun fact xD


What a fucking moron.
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Reply #16357 - 06/14/13 at 11:42:42
 
^ Well you can kind of already tell that by his YT username...
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Reply #16358 - 06/15/13 at 06:49:09
 
2.31.554 .334 .626 .594

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Reply #16359 - 06/15/13 at 15:25:50
 
Nice! Cool to see Mach Bike back at the top Tongue
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Reply #16360 - 06/15/13 at 17:42:39
 
What do you think the potential for this track is? Are those last 2 laps "bad" because of thwomps or because of errors? Would be cool to see a 50.3 50.3 50.3 run.
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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16361 - 06/15/13 at 18:55:02
 
★rusoX wrote on 06/15/13 at 06:49:09:
2.31.554 .334 .626 .594


Can I request you to stream according to the list Zak made with a few things added? I really want to see if you're 100% legit, because I don't understand why you refuse to get a clean iso/stream with the list...
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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16362 - 06/15/13 at 22:28:11
 
Guys!  We're 1.3 seconds away from subbing 50 minutes on total times for WR's!

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@Rusox's run: I thought we officially deemed it cheating if alternate music or textures were used  Huh
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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16363 - 06/16/13 at 07:38:48
 
Rhodechill wrote on 06/15/13 at 22:28:11:
@Rusox's run: I thought we officially deemed it cheating if alternate music or textures were used  Huh

I was under the impression that wasn't allowed, too. Hence why I was scrutinized so heavily back in the past back when I used them.
Maybe things have changed since? I don't know.
I thought that setting times on an ISO wasn't part of the rules since you can modify the values of the game whilst playing on an ISO, even when running directly on the disc channel.

But, that's not even the main problem.
I wish I could feel comfortable with rusoX's improvement (due to him streaming on a regular basis each time with gradual improvements)
. . . but I am still weary due to lied times in the past, playing around with cheats (both online and offline) in the past, among other problems.

I'm not the only one who feels this way. But I do find it strange. Artur is the perfect example—he cheated one time (N64 Sherbet Land with rapidfire luck wheelies) and his entire timesheet was evoked and scrapped.
If it is true that ruso has messed around with hacks on a Time Trial before, then shouldn't his entire timesheet be counted as void? Why are some people getting special treatment and others are not?

I guess I need more convincing. It seems Cole has already slapped it on the World Record page though—so my words merely come across as a whining complaint with no basis.
I just felt like sharing my opinion on this one, as opposed to biting my tongue so hard that it bleeds.

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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16364 - 06/16/13 at 07:49:51
 
yes, playing a modified game has been banned since long ago and WRs have been discounted for it therefore Ruso’s time doesn’t count

I have no idea why Cole added it to the WRs page, but he made a mistake
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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16365 - 06/16/13 at 08:02:08
 
Didn't Jaws have screenshots from Skype of rusoX saying he used hacks? Or were those fake?  Huh
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He used many new strats achieve that.
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Re: Official nice WRs topic
Reply #16366 - 06/16/13 at 08:14:38
 
Rhodechill wrote on 06/15/13 at 22:28:11:
Guys!  We're 1.3 seconds away from subbing 50 minutes on total times for WR's!

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@Rusox's run: I thought we officially deemed it cheating if alternate music or textures were used  Huh

It is, lol, I don't get it why Cole made a exception just for Ruso, he says he can't get a clean iso because it takes too long, while he could be doing it while he plays BC?

Daηίεl wrote on 06/16/13 at 08:02:08:
Didn't Jaws have screenshots from Skype of rusoX saying he used hacks? Or were those fake?  Huh

They're real if you're talking about cheating online, he admitted in the PP chat for using hacks in 2010 in clan wars and stuff, but according to liam he's legit because of his personality and because wifi =/= tts
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Reply #16367 - 06/16/13 at 10:07:40
 
I'm pretty sure Cole didn't make an exception.  He probably just made a mistake (maybe he didn't notice that it was a modified game).  Modified games are banned so it should be removed.
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Reply #16368 - 06/16/13 at 11:17:41
 
The reason that I made the exception for ruso is because he has been streaming, his disc reader is broken, and the community seems to support counting this as a WR. Even though I personally think it shouldn't be counted because of custom music/textures, ultimately I try to go with that the community thinks when counting WRs. But since people here are voicing concerns I think it's clear now that I should reconsider my decision.

The problem is that the general TT community still does not support the PP's rule to ban all custom textures/music. They think that modifications that don't give an obvious advantage are fine to use. And I'm not just talking about the youtube community, there are many high caliber players that feel this way too.

This goes against my opinion on the matter, as well as what the PP decided. Basically this comes down to deciding which ruleset to use on the WR site: The one that I and the PP supports, or the one that the general TT community supports.

I would like to see more posts about this, but right now I am leaning towards removing his time.

About ruso's past: I do not consider him banned from the page. Yes, he has lied about WRs and attempted to use infinite wheelie on TTs (which he found crashes the ghost). But that was 3 years ago and he has been making an effort to prove himself legit by streaming. If he gets a WR with a clean iso then it should be counted.
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Reply #16369 - 06/16/13 at 11:39:10
 
Cole wrote on 06/16/13 at 11:17:41:
About ruso's past: I do not consider him banned from the page. Yes, he has lied about WRs and attempted to use infinite wheelie on TTs (which he found crashes the ghost). But that was 3 years ago and he has been making an effort to prove himself legit by streaming. If he gets a WR with a clean iso then it should be counted.


So basically a lifetime ban for hacking isn't actually lifetime now? Smiley
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Reply #16370 - 06/16/13 at 12:04:52
 
I don't really like the custom music ban now I think about it. I think that a time should count as long as the course itself is not physically altered, I guess the majority think this way too Tongue
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Reply #16371 - 06/16/13 at 12:08:09
 
that’s fucking retarded, no other gaming community ever allows hacking in their competition Roll Eyes

and you’re also the guy who’s supporting Ruso just because he doesn’t have Walter’s attitude? lol
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Reply #16372 - 06/16/13 at 12:32:31
 
In my opinion, custom music should be strongly discouraged and not allowed for proof streams, but if a time is set with just custom music I think it shouldn't be banned just like that.

Second part of Alaktorn's statement is true; Jas, looks like you have another ally.
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Reply #16373 - 06/16/13 at 12:57:26
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 06/16/13 at 12:08:09:
that’s fucking retarded, no other gaming community ever allows hacking in their competition Roll Eyes

and you’re also the guy who’s supporting Ruso just because he doesn’t have Walter’s attitude? lol


^This.

Custom shit develops cheating, makes it user-friendly and within everyone's reach, keeps cheating alive, makes cheating look like it's cool, encourage people to cheat.

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If the majority of the MKW community thinks this way, it's because most of them are cheaters / like cheating or are simply retards.
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Reply #16374 - 06/16/13 at 13:14:01
 
I'm glad Sword spoke out about this one, because to be honest, I've been biting my tongue about RusoX for quite some time now. His past is one issue, but the fact that he insists on playing with custom textures and music is what really bothers me. His stream also fails to set my mind at ease because I know he hasn't been following all the procedures (at least not at the times I watched). I can recall one particular time that I watched one of his videos and saw that he put a link to his stream recording in the description as proof. When I actually checked it out, it turned out that he only played against a ghost for the first 5 minutes or so (without even finishing a lap, I might add) and then went right back to solo Time Trials. And every time he posted a video of some noteworthy accomplishment, it was without any ghost--not even a staff ghost. His history with the track is a point in his favor, but since I wasn't entirely convinced regarding his recent improvements, I felt rather uncomfortable this whole time. But I wasn't sure how well people would take it if I brought up my concerns, so I kept silent.

Regarding custom textures and music, yes, they are banned, and with good reason, too. The fact that the advantage given by custom music is small is irrelevant if there is, in fact, an advantage to be had, and I am absolutely certain that it does give a mental advantage. So why do people still use such things? Simple...They know they can get away with it. It's a blatant challenge to the rules, and they know that we're going to back down because of their status in the community, just like we have many times in the past.

DJT wrote on 06/16/13 at 12:32:31:
In my opinion, custom music should be strongly discouraged and not allowed for proof streams, but if a time is set with just custom music I think it shouldn't be banned just like that.

This is exactly the sort of attitude that we've had up to this point, and it hasn't helped us one bit. "Strongly discouraging" something doesn't mean crap if there are no consequences behind it. The compromising attitude we've had up to this point is not working. This issue will never be cleared up until we take a firm stance and stop making exceptions.
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