ZZMT wise, that is achievable. However, the differences really needs to be fixed for it..

Especially from Beginer through up tp Adv E the flaps don't correspond to the course standards. Also, most of them are not evenly distributed. HOw about trying one track at a time to update and fix, And how about everybody else does the same to try to make these standards content with everybody. I'll try to do one track hopefully by next post.
(Anyway Tom, on Rp 3lap for some Myth Time, it goes from 59:95 or something to 50:90. Just wanted to let you know.)

thats b/c they suck

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Ok, if anyone has any suggestions for standards to be altered, please post them.

Like some people pointed out, earlier in this topic and recently in the suggestions thread, some arkward standards and some differences between them need to be fixed :

-BC3 : God and Myth B are identical for flap
-CCI : 49"41 for Myth C, I assume it should be a round number here (not very important though, the whole standards should be changed here anyway)
-BC3 : for 3lap, Myth A and C are identical (1'21"25) and Myth B is lower than Myth A (1'21"20) ; and for flap God and Myth B are the same as well.
-RKB1 : flap standards are crazy from Myth D to Titan A, and there is one full second gap bewteen God and Myth A for the 5lap, with only a 0"10 difference between the others.
-RDP2 : Huge 1"6 gap between Titan B and C.
-RDP3 : God and Myth A are identical for 5lap.

I don't think I pointed out everything, those are that striked be the most.

Also, some standards should be better balanced depending on how of an influence ZZMT's have on a track (PC, MC, LC, RMC1, RCI1...) or depending of the difficulty to pull off the fastest strats (CCI, RR...)
For instance, it's impossible for a non-ZZMTer to get higher than a Hero time on MC flap or MC1 flap, and higher than Expert on PC 3lap...
I may build a example on what could be balanced standards later.

About God Times :

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27"00 / 3"00 looks like great Gods for this track. I though about 2"95 for the flap as well, but seeing how my own flap looked flawless and I haven't sub, 3"00 may be more adapted.

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I don't know how much ZZMT's help for the flap, around 0"5 or maybe less. I would say 16"75 or 16"80 is a nice God, but yeah you'd better ask Seb for this.

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Being honest, I think sub 47 can be done with ZZMT's I think Yunus has splits for sub 48 already w/o them. I can think of at least 3 spots per lap where ZZMT's can be done, but then I don't know much about ZZMT's But for sure the God shoud be under 47"50. This needs opinions from ZZMTers however.
The flap is good as it is now.

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8"00 is a perfect God, no doubt, though really hard to achieve.

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Definitely agreeing here.

Will put later again some personal good God Times that I can think of for my best tracks. This post is already very long

In my opinion, you need to get the opinion of most of the top 10 (and especially stellmacher) before you come to any conclusions on standards, even if it takes more than 2 weeks.

I personally don't see why it wasn't allowed in the first place :/

It's kinda a part of the game mechanics, but eh, that's another topic I guess.

As for standards in general, I think it'd be a good idea to have SMK Standards instead of our current ones  (to cover the skill gaps and still give high level players a decent standard, looking at PC 3lap here) with GOD +'s (to cover times that are impossible without ZZMT, also looking at PC 3lap here) It'd require a decent reworking of the current standards though.

I think that Myth times should be hittable for top level non-ZZMT play, and everything above that possible for ZZMT, albeit very hard to do.

I myself like the idea of SMK standard names too (Knight, Veteran, Star, etc.) since this game plays more similarly to SMK than to MKDD or MKDS. The only little problem is that some of the lower Titan players will have to settle for the lower "Emperor" rank. I like this though because reaching the low-grade Titan standards is IMO no harder than reaching Emperor times in SMK, while the high-grade Titan level is noticeably tougher and closer to the real thing. (almost all my Titan times are D's and E's; in SMK I have no Titan times)

Agree with Matt on making the Myth times reachable in non-ZZMT and extending God for ZZMT players. It's just like the A-tech in MKDD. Most of the ZZMT mini-shortcuts can be done in non-ZZMT as well with skillful boost manipulation. I couldn't do ZZMT's in SMK either, but I could do some of the advanced NBT routes (which the top players always ZZMT for) by painstakingly manipulating the boost from an earlier corner. It adds some challenge, and encourages players who can't do ZZMT to try tougher strategies, but I am not saying you should ban ZZMT-- it's probably extremely difficult to do even with a pro-ZZMT GBA unit. I don't think modifying your GBA will magically make you get God times.

I thought it is disallowed?!

The Gaff wrote on 08/17/09 at 04:57:47:

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Are you talking about the same thing as Brutus? = the start-stopped strat I found for flaps?

And @ Brutus, it has never been admitted back on the site, otherwise the times that got released because this strat was banned sould have been reput after that, but they didn't...  

Ah! so you answered to my 2 questions. Thanks.  
I had a doubt on what Matt and Tom were talking  about, but now, everything is clear.
And I agree with you. I don't really understand neither why this strat was banned because most of us agreed for letting it allowed but well... it's up to you to come back on your decision mods...  

I say get rid of the standards.

Besides being completely random, no one bothered looking for typos.

Only way you will have a nice looking ARR chart is with zzmt only and/or nonzzmt only.

Mick wrote on 08/11/09 at 18:10:48:


Haha, don't tell me you think the mksc standards are actually good Tom?

All I'm saying is that mixing zzmt and nonzzmt times together makes it hard to reconcile them into one list of balanced standards.  It looks even worst with so few players with zzmt capable dpads.  I'm not saying make split charts but be realistic when trying to improve something that's already broken.  In terms of difficulty, some myth times are piss easy while some expert times are brutal to get.  I just think an ARR chart for this is meaningless.  I don't see why changing them all again improves the situation.

At the very least, fix the typos.