Mario Kart MB - Standards feedback

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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #100 - 08/28/09 at 03:13:19

karterfreak wrote on 08/10/09 at 06:31:19:

RP flap should drop to 17"00 at the very least, and 16"60 at the most. I personally think 16"70 is a nice middle ground for that lap, but you should get Stellmacher's opinion on that as well.

16"70 sounds really good, my waterslide was pretty weak there.

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SL flap could most definitely go to 17"75, so I'd say somewhere around 17"65 or 17"70 would be a reasonable GOD time. Yet again, its probably a good idea to get the opinion of Stellmacher here, as well as Cole if anyone can contact him.

oh i hate this track, there are quite some mistakes in my flap, i would go for 17"65

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BP 3lap should go to 48"00 at least, 47"90 is more reasonable though, the lap seems fine to me though. Again, get Stellmacher's opinion as well.

hm this is one of the tracks i didn't use zzmt, but like Mick said there can be 3 or 4 zzmtboosts done per lap...so sub 47 is doable i guess, would need some tests though

i agree on the flap.

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I'm unable to say anything for CI1, as I don't know which strategy Stellmacher used, considering there's no video (although it's obvious it had ZZMT in it Wink

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vid of a slightly slower run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHefyO43FMc&feature=channel_page
39"00 is a good god standard

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DP2 5lap actually seems pretty reasonable as a GOD time. From what I know, Stellmacher's time there is pretty strong, and is still .23 away from just getting a tie with god.

hm i fucked up the 2nd shroom and lost around "30 here, so with 3 good shrooms i would have reached the god time. i would say 1'08"30 or "20

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RRR flap should be lowered to 12"00 or 11"95. 11"90 Would be pushing it, but then again, I haven't subbed the 12"00 mark here, so Stellmacher would probably be best to ask on that.

11"90 is pretty hard but quite good as a god time

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gonna write some god times later today

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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #101 - 08/28/09 at 14:48:29

yeha tripple post lol sry

termoPilucco wrote on 08/23/09 at 11:42:37:

About non zzmt BC1, i have a very old japanese video (before ticking was discovered) showing a 14"08 second lap.
Before modify my DS, I had a 14"46 non zzmt opener (and i doubt it's the fastest opener lap around)
So at least 14"46+14"08x2 = 42"62
I'd say 42"60 for the God Standard.

my old non-zzmt pr was 42"80, my opener was 14"43 and i doubt it was my fastest one.
but i agree with 42"60

it's hard to make god standards for zzmt, there will be so many new strats...so i think it would be better to make them very strong.

i should say that i played most of the courses till i got the wr and stopped then most of the time cause i wanted to get a lot wr's as fast as possible

ZZMT
PC: 44"30 ; 12"90 (current standard)
SGB: 46"50 ; 12"40
RP: 58"60 ; 16"70
BC1: 41"75 ; 12"45

MC: 53"00 ; 15"45
BL: 1'12"50 ; 21"75
CL: 47"00 ; 13"90
BC2: 1'01"20 ; 18"90

i'm going for the quadruple post and make the others tomorrow or i just edit my post Wink

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Fant0m Myth Offline aka Flo drank 5943 beers Paris / France Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #102 - 09/13/09 at 02:34:05 So? Is the standard page going to be updated soon?
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karterfreak Legend Offline 6962 sex records Canada Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #103 - 09/13/09 at 06:59:16 No. We're NOT rushing it this time.
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Fant0m Myth Offline aka Flo 5943 days karting Paris / France Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #104 - 09/13/09 at 08:16:23 I didn't mean to rush it. I just wanted to know how it was going.
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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #105 - 09/14/09 at 02:45:49

Ok, my boss is away this week so lets have a go at PC, we will do 3lap and flap each day from now on (week days only - Mon-Fri).

If things get slow we can wait for more input.

I assume we're all happy now with the idea of God 10+ Being ZZMT, through to God which is the fastest non-zzmt times. Then incriments down from there.

Loigcally to me it makes sense that if for example we have;
God+10 = 1'30"00
God = 1'00"00

Then we plit the thirty seconds by 10 (+1, +2, +3 etc) evenly?

The rest lower is also open to debate. Matt, do you have time to put up your suggested times for people to discuss or would you like me to do it?

Regards,
Tom

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Boom3r King Offline 7266 sex records Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #106 - 09/14/09 at 04:38:22 suggestions so far non-zzmt 46"80 / 13"70 (not accurate, especially the 3lap Undecided) by Mick zzmt 44"34 / 13"19??? by Fenner -> (i already beat the flap) 44"30 ; 12"90 (current standard) my suggestion post your opinions
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BPA Ex Member	Re: Standards feedback Reply #107 - 09/14/09 at 05:44:41 PC flap non-zzmt I think could be 13"65... something about 13"70 doesn't seem strong enough imo, my 13"82 came after only one day's play and I know at least two parts of it were pretty rough. I don't know enough about the 3-lap to say.
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karterfreak Legend Offline punched 6962 kiddies Canada Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #108 - 09/15/09 at 04:28:40 I don't know who has ZZMT times on that course, so it's hard for me to even make an estimate for the 3lap
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termoPilucco Ninja Offline brilliant! 7682 sex records Milan, Italy	Re: Standards feedback Reply #109 - 09/15/09 at 10:09:38 The fastest non ZZMT time is 0'46"91 with a weird strat tha generate a MT (non ZZ) in the middle area.
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karterfreak Legend Offline 6962 days karting Canada Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #110 - 09/15/09 at 11:56:23 Think you could make an above level diagram of the strategy so I can see how its done? I'd like to test the strategy so I can get a rough idea of how improveable it is.
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termoPilucco Ninja Offline brilliant! 7682 days karting Milan, Italy	Re: Standards feedback Reply #111 - 09/15/09 at 13:14:33 uploaded here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqCNNzwOmRc
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Fant0m Myth Offline aka Flo 5943 holabolas Paris / France Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #112 - 09/15/09 at 13:18:15 Very nice strat! I may try it just to see if I'm able to make it
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BPA Ex Member	Re: Standards feedback Reply #113 - 09/15/09 at 13:34:53 Those inertia drifts are cool as fuck but hard to pull off. Remember seeing that vid when su did that time, what a ledge.
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karterfreak Legend Offline helped 6962 people Canada Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #114 - 09/15/09 at 16:34:53 If I get some time after I write the news update (too much shit came up today), then I'll give this a shot. It looked like that time could probably be improved by .30 or so, but I can't say for sure.
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Fant0m Myth Offline aka Flo punched 5943 kiddies Paris / France Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #115 - 09/16/09 at 05:02:30 I tried a bit that start last night and I can tell that drifting as close as possible from the grass is really difficult imo. I really don't think it could be improved at all (except maybe (1% sure because we can't see well) at each shroom posts...
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Reply #116 - 08/03/10 at 04:12:20

Ok, i think its time to have a look at the standards and see if they can be improved. I'll be looking into this and would appreciate some feedback from people on particular courses. I'll put a document online and people are update it as they see fit. Will do this by the end of the week.

but in essence, start thinking about standards pls

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Firewaster Legend Offline Brazilian POWER 6863 sex records Goiânia - Brasil Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #117 - 08/03/10 at 04:37:28 rGV1 GOD seems to be a bit easy to achieve since Pierre's new strat for the shroom brought a new level to it. I mean, a WR "70 faster than the god is something a little off.
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Fant0m Myth Offline aka Flo 5943 days karting Paris / France Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #118 - 08/03/10 at 04:41:00 Oh yeah! New god standards to discuss! That's awesome. I'll have a look at them tonight (even if I don't think I have a good enough level to say a word... ).
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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #119 - 08/03/10 at 15:09:20

Etch wrote on 08/20/09 at 18:23:40:

Only way you will have a nice looking ARR chart is with zzmt only and/or nonzzmt only.

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Three Choices
1. Make standards that are strictly zzmt
2. Make standards that are designed for non-zzmt leaving ranks near god as a zzmt buffer
3. Make standards that are strictly non-zzmt leaving ranks above god as a zzmt buffer

Unless we make split charts, I think it's retarded to base the standards off zzmt only.

I am beginning to think having a separate chart isn't a bad idea as the non-zzmt AF is destoyed on places like GV1, PC, and MC. Unfortunately, it's an extra hassle for updaters but would allow both times and records to be appreciated for what they are. We added prb on mkds over 2 years into the game with a shit load more of activity so it's not impossible. People like Seb and Pierre could submit their non-zzmt times and see how they compare to Mick overall, etc. I don't know how everyone feels about this but for the sake of pretty charts it's the best route to go.

Whatever the result, a new set of standards is automatically an improvement. lol

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Chuck Foster King Offline __THAT__GUY__ punched 6769 kiddies Texas, USA Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #120 - 08/03/10 at 15:19:12 I think separate charts is a bit excessive. I do like your second option, Etch.
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Reply #121 - 08/05/10 at 03:26:03

my take is that as we allow zzmt in the same way that nbt is allowed in smk that we handle the standards in a similar fashion.

as i always say though, its a democracy so ill be tempted to go with the majority. The problem in this case is the majority of players are not set up to play zzmt. Tough one.

I'll put a poll up at some point if it becomes an issue.

The way i see if, nonzzmt players should be able to hit god but zzmt players hit god+

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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #122 - 08/05/10 at 05:40:58

@Gaff my opinion goes with yours on the ZZMT/NBT comparison. SMK has become a way more competitive game with it's addition, and the players page is probably only alive because of all the different strats and improvements it made possible. There's a side non-NBT site though... Well, my vote would go to keep it all together... But my vote is biased since I mastered NBT/ZZMT... But I really encourage everyone else to try it!

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Etch sage Offline 3.0+1.0=CUTE 6964 time runner-up	Re: Standards feedback Reply #123 - 08/06/10 at 14:25:10 Firewaster wrote on 08/05/10 at 05:40:58: I really encourage everyone else to try it! Buying a triwing and busting my gba sp open sounds like a hassle and I'm sort of lazy. Only competition zzmt gets at the top is Seb and Pierre anyways. Funny Mick is as high as he is despite all this.
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Firewaster Legend Offline Brazilian POWER 6863 holabolas Goiânia - Brasil Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #124 - 08/06/10 at 15:28:02 I'm trying to climb to Pierre and Seb's level... It'll take a while though!! I was also lazy, it took me some time to mod my GBA... But once it's done it really changed my gaming experience! It made me feel like playing SMK (which is my favorite MK game), and that is a HUGE plus for me! And yeah, Mick is a beast!
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