Mario Kart MB - Standards feedback

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Standards feedback
02/25/08 at 12:28:24

Ok, so the standards are up, they're not perfect but they're up. As per main page, they will be edited in approximately 2 weeks and then edited again in 6 months time if they need to be.

NO arguements on the statement above.

Otherwise, please make comments on them, too tough? too easy? some way off the mark? (lol- there are bound to be a few wide of the mark)

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BenSkywalker

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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #1 - 02/25/08 at 12:35:04

I agree with most of them, and applaud the fact they're finally up. However, do they definitively lean towards a pro-ZZMT bias? Not a problem if it is, it would just explain why a sub 48 on PC is still regarded as an Expert time (in a non-ZZMT sense I'd presume a sub 48 would be at least a Hero E). I guess if they definitely are, some other tracks need to be reconsidered - my RMC1 5-lap for instance is probably as good as my PC 3-lap, and both tracks are as susceptible as each other to ZZMT cuts, yet the rank differentiation is a fair bit greater.

One final point: Matt's SL flap is God, but Hirano's RR 3-lap isn't? No disrespect to Matt's flap but man... if ever there was a shoo-in for an immediate God, I would have thought RR would be it!

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AlexPenev Master Ninja Offline I play in 70Hz 7997 days karting	Re: Standards feedback Reply #2 - 02/25/08 at 13:01:46 Have another look at the LP (course) standards, Tom. I fudged them for now, but see if you want them changed.
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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #3 - 02/25/08 at 13:06:54

The god times are very unbalanced, and most are too easy. They seem to be completely arbitrary, and not based on any game knowledge. It seems that you ignored all the new ZZMTs and new strats that can still be added, and you also ignored the best splits. You also ignored Fenner's times. Even if you think they're fake, they're still not strong enough to be god. Also, I think that god times look nicer if they end with 0 or 5.

Iirc, Matt Ellis posted a set of god times awhile ago that was much better than these. Even if they're not perfect, they'd serve as a better starting point for discussion. Matt, can you post your set of god times again?

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Nicola Titan Offline MKDS will never die! 6910 days karting Italy Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #4 - 02/25/08 at 13:55:39 I don't know much about MKSC best times, so I'll talk only about RKB1 The flap is definitely too easy: I lost almost a tenth in my 3"13 run, and I can see some improvements here and there. Sub 3 would be a perfect GOD barrier IMHO.
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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #5 - 02/25/08 at 13:56:40

A fast view on tracks i know:

-PC lap under 12"15: never in this world.
With Bowser is difficult to sub 12" with 3 ticking in a row (looking at cyberscore Pierre has 12"15 with ticking, although i bet he played only until he got the NR) and lighter chars like Toad are not fast enough w/o ticking to compete with Bowser in a track like PC (Hirano PC 3lap ticking was 8 tenths slower than mine with Bowser with the same strat, and we know that Hirano drives way better than me)

-SG 3lap is too easy: my splits give me 47"19 (and the god is 47"48) and i'm no good a this track i only used a ZZMT strat that couldn't be even the best possible.
I suggest to cut one second at least.

edit: anyway good job!

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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #6 - 02/25/08 at 13:59:31

Michael F wrote on 02/25/08 at 13:06:54:

Iirc, Matt Ellis posted a set of god times awhile ago that was much better than these. Even if they're not perfect, they'd serve as a better starting point for discussion. Matt, can you post your set of god times again?

Heres what I have for the GOD standards. (Exact copy from last time I posted them, minus the ** add-on's)

* = means this depends on whether or not the fastest strat is legal or not (strat got banned...)
** = Changes since last time I posted them

GBA Tracks

PC
00:45.00 ** 00:44.70
00:13.00 ** 00:12.90

SGB
00:47.00
00:12.50

RP
00:59.50
00:17.10

BC1
00:42.35 ** 00:41.90
00:12.50

MC
00:54.80 **00:53.40
00:16.00 **00:15.50

BL
01:13.10
00:21.90

CL
00:47.90
00:14.25

BC2
01:01.85
00:19.00

LC
01:05.80 **01:04.50
00:19.30

SG
00:47.35
00:12.35 **00:12.00

CCI
00:49.00
00:11.80

SW
01:01.55
00:18.65 **00:18.50

SL
01:02.50
00:18.50 **00:18.00

RiRo
01:12.70
00:22.70

YD
01:04.50 **01:02.80
00:18.80 **00:17.85

BC3
01:21.10
00:25.15

LP
00:50.00 **00:49.55
00:14.80 **00:14.70

BP
00:47.80
00:12.30

BC4
01:35.90
00:30.15

RaR
00:34.70 **00:34.80 (yes, I actually think it should be made higher now.)
00:10.50 **00:10.35

SNES Tracks

MC1
00:45.00 **00:44.85
00:06.78 **00:06.75

DP1
00:58.00
00:09.35

GV1
00:48.25 **00:47.85
00:07.00

RBC1
01:12.20
00:12.44 *00:12.45 (was a mistake before Wink

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MC2
00:56.40
00:08.16 *00:08.15 (same as above)

CI1
00:40.80 **00:40.00
00:04.00/00:04.88* (ended up being banned, ignore the first time)

GV2
00:48.15
00:07.75

DP2
01:09.70 **01:09.30
00:11.20

RBC2
01:24.00
00:14.80

MC3
01:12.50
00:11.85

KB1
00:28.70 **00:27.90 (yes, I'm serious...)
00:03.00 **00:02.95 (yet again, I'm serious...)

CI2
00:49.80 **00:49.00
00:06.58 **00:06.45

VL1
00:40.70
00:04.95

RBC3
01:14.00 **01:13.60
00:12.78 **00:12.70

MC4
01:19.50
00:13.30

DP3
01:01.00 **00:59.90
00:09.50 **00:09.45

KB2
00:44.20 **00:43.70
00:05.18 **00:05.15

GV3
00:57.75
00:08.48 **00:08.45

VL2
00:38.70
00:05.28 **00:05.25

RR
01:10.70
00:12.10 **00:12.00

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Alicia Kart Legend Offline Retired. 7972 sex records Paris (France) Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #7 - 02/25/08 at 14:10:36 Yes, some of them have to be changed, but it's good btw. Only some gaps between GOD and Myth B are completely weird (Retro KB1, RaR, ...), but otherwise that's OK for a beginning.
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termoPilucco Ninja Offline brilliant! 7682 days karting Milan, Italy	Re: Standards feedback Reply #8 - 02/25/08 at 14:26:08 Another too easy God i've noticed: BC3 3lap God is set to 1'21"00: my splits give 1'21"45 only due to ZZMT advantage: this is a track i just touched
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BenSkywalker Ex Member	Re: Standards feedback Reply #9 - 02/25/08 at 14:34:16 If we're going to pick through individual tracks, I'd say RDP2 sticks out as well. That should be a second lower I reckon; no-one yet has done a proper run using ZZMT through the SC and then shrooming elsewhere. EDIT: Liking your modded God standards Matt, they work well. Agreed on RR and the lowering of SL flap.
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Brutus Legend Offline Forum Nigger helped 6940 people New Hampshire Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #10 - 02/25/08 at 15:16:04 where's the arr page?
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In Hiding Ex Member	Re: Standards feedback Reply #11 - 02/26/08 at 01:27:02 cheers for the feedback.
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termoPilucco Ninja Offline brilliant! ate 7682 donuts Milan, Italy	Re: Standards feedback Reply #12 - 02/26/08 at 02:39:02 i want to say that i really appreciated the coming of standards, and i want to thanks you, Tom
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karterfreak Legend Offline 6962 days karting Canada Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #13 - 02/26/08 at 04:10:33 termoPilucco wrote on 02/26/08 at 02:39:02: i want to say that i really appreciated the coming of standards, and i want to thanks you, Tom QFT
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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #14 - 02/26/08 at 07:30:46

the standarts motivate me
i am happy with my Exp B overall, but in my eyes some 3lap / flap standarts are a little bit unbalanced, somtimes i have a hero in a flap time, and then an adv in the 3/5 lap

but i love them.

mh but i think PC flap god needs to be changed

ah, and i love my rVL2 flap Myth D

Good work Tom

Edit: Hiranos RR time should be GOD, shouldn´t it?

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In Hiding Ex Member	Re: Standards feedback Reply #15 - 02/26/08 at 07:55:22 amendments are being made alot quicker than 2 weeks watch this space.. or more importantly watch the standards page lol I agree with most of the aforementioned points, so these should be alot better and somewhat more aggressive.
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In Hiding Ex Member	Re: Standards feedback Reply #16 - 02/26/08 at 08:55:35 Thoughts on Standards v.2?
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M. Sax King Offline OHAI!!1! 6848 days karting Netherlands, Utrecht Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #17 - 02/26/08 at 09:44:41 I wanna play MKSC again now
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Matt V Legend Offline 6446 sex records Canada Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #18 - 02/26/08 at 12:22:39 Marijn S4X wrote on 02/26/08 at 09:44:41: I wanna play MKSC again now My friend Dave says MKSC sucks, and that he'll give me his copy of MKSC, and these standards are making me want the game asap.
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Enzio King Offline 7292 days karting	Re: Standards feedback Reply #19 - 02/26/08 at 13:12:13 I liked the standards v.1 better, I had a Myth time . Seriously though, these standards will make me play more, maybe not a lot, but maybe I can get some times while waiting for a Halo 3 game to start?
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karterfreak Legend Offline 6962 days karting Canada Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #20 - 02/26/08 at 13:48:07 RKB1 5-lap is waaaay to low now, my best splits just BARELY bring me down to 27.90 as it is, which is why I saw it as the ideal god time. Another thing is that the RKB1 flap needs to be fixed, it's messed up from God to Titan A.
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BenSkywalker Ex Member	Re: Standards feedback Reply #21 - 02/26/08 at 13:56:04 Liking it, liking it... SGB's Titan B 3-lap is put down as 40"30, tho!
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karterfreak Legend Offline drank 6962 beers Canada Gender:	Re: Standards feedback Reply #22 - 02/26/08 at 14:03:01 found another error, RDP3 5-lap God and Myth A are the exact same.
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In Hiding

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Re: Standards feedback
Reply #23 - 02/26/08 at 14:30:13

hehe, oops, must've missed that one..

keep the suggestions coming, i blended alot of matt's suggestions in with the others, Ben, i agree with your dp suggestion however i've not really attributed to a flap as i've no idea how much it would save.

Anyway, they dont have to be perfect.. just good enough for a solid 6 months before review.

I'd like some feedback from the lower players too.

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