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02/25/08 at 05:43:01
 
Anyone got the motivation to do a written update for that?

I'd also like to see it given a bit of an update in terms of colour etc, just a makeover as ihate the colour scheme! Grin

also the links at the top should be in chronological order..
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Reply #1 - 02/25/08 at 05:45:49
 
Great idea, but I don't have time to make news. I already make news updates for 3 sites and update one.
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Reply #2 - 02/25/08 at 08:04:26
 
Could be quite tricky in terms of information. Unless the writer was a member of all the sites and kept pretty regular tabs on all the action, it would be very hard to write detailed updates without delving into time submissions and scanning all of the charts. Just doing it for 64 isn't that quick and I have a fairly strong grasp of who's active and setting good times, so if someone had to cover the movers for all five it could really take a long time. I wouldn't mind doing it if there was some way to make it a bit easier; for example, if the combined charts indicated how much of a move each player had made in a specific game as well as overall, or at least if it highlighted which games they had improved in. Also, we don't have a combined site apart from that page, so there would either need to be a new page created for combined news or it'd have to be posted on one of the current sites, which doesn't really make much sense.
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Reply #3 - 02/26/08 at 03:22:23
 
Alvin van Asselt wrote on 02/25/08 at 05:45:49:
Great idea, but I don't have time to make news. I already make news updates for 3 sites and update one.


Alvin, you dont have to mention that you write the news for three and that is why you can't do it, no one was asking you too, it was more a volunteer option if you could do it.  Wink

Darius, I've been thinking about it and I am starting to get to the vision that the combined page should be the "hub" so to speak and that the other sites be the offshoots in more depth. I like the concept that as a site and a community we have spanned over 10 years and that some players play all games and that is encouraged (combined chart).

I am sure that if we placed more emphasis on the combined charts as being credible and something to aspire to be on top of then it would encourage all of the new mkwii players to pick up previous iterations of the series.

The mksc site is getting to a level where I intended it to get, there are a few more nice additions to the mksc site that need doing (re-doing standards, looking at sc's or something and a few more tricks up my sleeve), as well as getting a few more staff on board - but people are happy to. So I might have some more time on my hands. I am thinking whether I should spend some time spec'ing up a proposal for a MKCombined site which I (and maybe you Darius) could work on updating somehow.

All of this is just initial thought and opinion, i'm sure most people wont care about it or share my vision but hey, i dont think it would do any harm..
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Reply #4 - 02/26/08 at 03:58:35
 
From the perspective of doing news updates a combined hub would make it a lot easier to get a handle on the developments in each game and providing an overview to all that. More regular updates would also make it a lot easier. Again, I'm very ignorant on the database side of things, but if they were done once a month and I had more information to look at on the combined rankings itself then I'd happily do updates for something like that. As long as we retained the individual character of each site in the process, I think it'd be a great idea that would, as you say, encourage any new players we get from MKWii to try out the other games and also generally encourage more people to try and improve their combined ranking.
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Reply #5 - 02/26/08 at 13:42:09
 
I think the combined MK charts should have more focus shined on them as well. I keep up with all the MKs in terms of new WRs, new PRs, new shortcuts etc etc. and I like to think I could maybe have a stab at writing updates for the combined MK chart if that were to come to fruition. Of course a sense of clarity should be kept on each player's activities, but a slightly more overviewy style of writing might be needed to take in the scope of covering all 5/6 MKs.
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Reply #6 - 02/26/08 at 14:20:40
 
I would be great at this, but they won't let me do it so it doesn't matter.
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Reply #7 - 02/26/08 at 19:39:35
 
I say we can't have the combined page as a "hub" yet, Tom.  It's a great idea to try to do something like that, but first all the stubborn folks related to MK64 and the combined page need to get with the program and spruce up their pages a bit like the other MK games.  If MK64 and the combined page both had that "look" we could probably make the combined page update automatically off the data from the others (am I right here Mr. Code Ninja?)  then we could even reassign all the MK64 pages to mariokart64.com/mk64 and leave the new super cool combined charts as a page styled like the 4 other games, with information links about the sites in general etc on just mariokart64.com...making a "hub" like you envisioned, and making it clear to all visitors that we have 5 (hopefully soon to be 6) pages running here, not just mariokart64.
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Reply #8 - 02/27/08 at 02:02:23
 
right, so how do we do this? who needs convincing?

The mk64 page was remade before the new style pages but even Sami's page has now adopted the new style. I dont think the older mk64 page benifits in any way from having the older style - and i'm sure the updating side is more time consuming. I'm trying to think how old the current style has been there, i'm sure its at least 5/6 years though.

For now i'll take this topic into IM with alex and mark and anyone else i can to see what the concensus is. I know people are very sentimental with the old site as am I to some degree but it could easily be archived in this day and age.
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Reply #9 - 02/27/08 at 02:44:31
 
Hi Tom,

Yes discuss with Mark and Alex and see wht they say. I suppose something like an overview news might be good, as someone mentioned with the individual kart news pages having their current depth. Maybe something listing new world records or major news headlines...

Again finding the person to do this and stick to it on a regular basis aswell, not worth it if it is left for weeks here and there...
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Reply #10 - 02/27/08 at 03:25:36
 
As far as I know the combined charts get the data from each site "automatically" with a script whenever Michael chooses to update it.  What database the MK64 site uses doesn't effect how the combined charts work.  If it was widely demanded, I'm confident someone could get it to update itself automatically whenever any of the sites update.
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Reply #11 - 02/27/08 at 03:55:04
 
Hi Robin, you must be getting tired because you have taken the preceeding posts slightly out of context and read into it what you will.

The only reason I was suggesting to change the mk64 site was if that was a barrier stopping development on the combined site. Which would've made sense to bring it into line with the rest of the sites.

There is nothing wrong with the current mk64 site, as you say, it functions fine and there are plenty of staff on hand to update regularly. If you read above no one says there isn't.. dont get defensive.

imho - the site does now feel like the black sheep of the sites and as it is situated where the main domain is it impacts the traffic flow. If as said above that domain name www.mariokart64.com became the hub and the site was moved to ww.mariokart64.com/mk64 i personally think it would make more sense.

Anyway, back to ontop - if what Robin says is true and its all automatically taken then I am not sure what is stopping us developing the current site.

It seems we have at least three or four people prepared to help and/or update.
Darius, Ben, Sean and myself.

Alex, I understand what the lads were saying about ability to see movement within the combined rankings page, is this something we could develop or is it something hidden which is already there?

To some degree I imagine the written updates would largely be cherry picking the news from the 5 (soon to be 6) sites and that would give you an indication of movement. Something more stat based would be helpful..

Just playing out in my mind how this could/would work.. thoughts, suggestions etc welcome and encouraged Smiley

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Reply #12 - 02/27/08 at 04:07:30
 
If everything can be done automatically with the charts the way they are then, as you both said, there's no need to change it.

In terms of how it would be done, this goes back to what I was saying about having a specific game movement indicator on the combined ranks. That would save a lot of time in the situations where you weren't sure in which game a certain player had improved, or especially if they had in more than one. I would personally like to focus on those players who had improved more than one game, or failing that, those who had made an especially large impact based on the way the combined formula works. An overall new WR overview would be nice too and maybe we could even have combined PoMs to add incentive for people playing more than one game. I'd definitely be looking to emphasise those who were spreading their play around in the news.
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Reply #13 - 02/27/08 at 04:18:04
 
I was thinking about awards, my thought was that someone on the staff for mkc might pick the pow from the people who were awards pow on the individual sites..

i.e if the awards that week were
smk: sean b
mksc: pierre
mkdd: vince
mk64: mj
mkds: bolton

Then the mkc would pick the one of the 5 which was most worthy.. food for thought. I'm trying to catch AP on IM but he's probably sleeping.
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Reply #14 - 02/27/08 at 10:57:04
 
I may have taken things a bit out of context, although I was looking more at Scott's post than yours Tom and I still don't like what he said.  Anyway, the important thing for this discussion is that I'm 99% sure an automatically-updating combined page could be made with the sites as they currently are.  I think a single page with all 270 Mario Kart WRs (plus MKWii's courses) on it would also be cool although it would be pretty long.  And if someone was really ambitious they could try to do matchups across multiple games using the players' profiles.  I really like the idea of making this a central page rather than a side thing that's only linked on a couple of the main pages.  I don't know about moving all the mk64 stuff to a new sub-directory, simply because that would require moving and re-setting up a lot of stuff, and I don't know enough about how that works to say if that could be done fairly easily or if would take forever.
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Reply #15 - 02/29/08 at 02:38:15
 
The Gaff wrote on 02/27/08 at 04:18:04:
I was thinking about awards, my thought was that someone on the staff for mkc might pick the pow from the people who were awards pow on the individual sites..

i.e if the awards that week were
smk: sean b
mksc: pierre
mkdd: vince
mk64: mj
mkds: bolton

Then the mkc would pick the one of the 5 which was most worthy.. food for thought. I'm trying to catch AP on IM but he's probably sleeping.


I don't see why it needs to be one of the 5.  What if someone just barely misses POW on all 5 sites in the same week?  Then he would obviously deserve the combined POW.
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Reply #16 - 02/29/08 at 02:54:59
 
fair enough, seems logical.. tbh.. we're not even close to awards yet as we haven't heard from Michael about the site. wtspace.
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Reply #17 - 02/29/08 at 10:30:24
 
Also, if this is to become a central page, then it should include everyone even if they have only played one game.
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Reply #18 - 02/29/08 at 12:48:29
 
Honko wrote on 02/29/08 at 10:30:24:
Also, if this is to become a central page, then it should include everyone even if they have only played one game, as long as they have a full timeset.


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Reply #19 - 02/29/08 at 13:44:53
 
Honko wrote on 02/29/08 at 10:30:24:
Also, if this is to become a central page, then it should include everyone even if they have only played one game.

I agree totally with you, it shouldn't be hard to factor in the one game only people...
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Reply #20 - 02/29/08 at 14:30:11
 
Good point JCB, and yeah it shouldn't be hard at all since the page was originally like that when it was first made.  Then it got changed because there were so many people who just had MKDD scores and the list was supposed to be more about playing multiple games.  But now it will definitely need to include everyone on the sites (who has a full timeset).
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Reply #21 - 09/30/08 at 06:33:52
 
Didn't want to start a new topic over this, so bumping this one:

http://www.mariokart64.com/combinedranks/

No update since July 18th? I thought it got updated once per month, bimonthly at worst?
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Reply #22 - 09/30/08 at 06:45:01
 
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Reply #23 - 12/05/08 at 19:16:44
 
At least update it before Xmas. Or before I move in 8 days...
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Reply #24 - 12/06/08 at 11:51:53
 
Don't feel like making a new topic so...

Does anybody know when MKW is going to be added to combined rankings? It's getting pretty difficult to get high-ranking times now, so I think it should be added.
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