First of all, I made the same topic on French forum here. My English's level isn't sufficiently good to do a correct translation, so I just say the main things (and maybe someone will be able to do the translation after ) :

Pipehit is forbidden on non-NBT site, but nothing is written on NBT site ! It's a technique, where you can hit a pipe and cross the sand without losing speed. A lot of players had to see that at MC4's last corner for example. My 1'15"93 non-NBT at MC2 contains a pipehit at 4th lap. If you don't win time and if it's involuntary, we can accept it. But Krysster (Christophe on the site) has the idea to do voluntary pipehits. His example is at MC1. He wants to build a boost after 1st corner, do a pipehit at 2nd corner, then cut a lot of sand with pipehit's effect and finally launch the boost after pipehit's effect (as a slideboost, where the boost starts after the end of slide's effect)... We still don't know if we really can win time with this strat, but I think it's possible !

So I create this topic to have your opinion ! There is nothing to say about this strat, or do we have to forbid it, to still keep some pure driving for Time Trial ? Of course, if we forbid it, it can always be added on trick/glitch WRs...

IMO, I'm against this strat, cos it removes some pure driving spirit... It's almost like a glitch. Or like breaking blocks on GVs to do faster flaps...

I think we should allow it to keep it simple because SMK graphics suck so bad, sometimes I don't know when I hit a pipe or not.

With boost maybe a little otherwise it prob put you back at position where you were but yes prob keep it simple for now driving as we are without it.

I don't give a fuck anymore.  There will ALWAYS be a new strat for MC1, but only a certain few will uitilize it.  Do whatever you want; nothing matters now...

Well it was just one track for something interesting, and yeh cant go back cos its sorta been achieved now so thats that.

True, but like i was saying with Karel, it is just one thing (IB) on TT for MC2 lap so it makes that one something different. And well there are some differences between the games anyway, tunring angles for one thing.

As for the pipe hit, Karel is not sure if it is worth to save anything and even if it did 0.02 say, it would be hard to keep consistent for all the laps hitting pipes and stuff, its glitchy.

I think it should be allowed. Accidental pipe-hits/wall-hits are allowed on the Non-NBT site. Even intentional iceblock-hits are allowed so that you can drive through snow without losing speed for a short time. I don't know if it's a bug/glitch or not, but it's a part of the game and a strategy we all use when we take a turn too tight on a corner where there's a wall or a pipe.
I remember Jonathan Girard used an intentional pipehit for his MC1 times. Also, what about that "mystery boost" in MK64? Was that achieved by releasing an MT after barely hitting the wall or something?

If they can save loads of time then I might have a different opinion.
I guess I'll have to wait and see how this unfolds.

Very difficult to decide here... Of course this could change a few things on a few tracks if used, ideally we want to keep things simple.

The kart goes in a long boosting motion then and for how long?

Hey guys..about this....We have something objective?


I'm sure that is possible win time (or not lost so most).

I will post a video soon....I did an accidental pipehit and, even with a not so good way, the time was good.

Well, to be honest, I once did a pipe hit, a few months ago . It was at VL1, the last corner. I thought it was snowsliding But don't worry, I beat it many, many times.

My opinion: Very poor players always hit pipes and they could get off the track. So I think it may only be allowed in non-NBT if you don't go off the road. This also counts for NBT because if it's allowed the best players will only do pipehits to cut the corners. It isn't fun anymore than, especially if you see the vids.

In my opinion pipehits are just another part of the game to be mastered and that seems to be in line with the spirit of NBT

Dan Hanson

Brian wrote on 02/02/07 at 13:33:43: