It's hard to get 4 FBs in one run, but even without the FB you can pull a boost of and still gain like half of it. My best splits are 17"09 for the opener and my flap PR was in an actual 5lap attempt, so yeah... this can easily go down to a 1'24"xx, but the consistency is the thing

However, I gave up for now, I am satisfied to have it at least tied. Which led me to a question... what was the exact reason why ties are not implemented on the WR History site? I mean, if it's for the reason that too many ties could happen, I think that's absolute bullshit. And even if, does it really make so much work to just add a tied WR? MKSC also implements ties, and it has at least as many, if not even more chances to land ties on WR level (for example: old rMC1 flap, rKB1 flap).

I see the point, but why isn't it the case for every MK? I mean,  in theory every other tie that is implemented on the other sites is quite useless then?

I think it's pretty silly to not include ties in the WR history. We consider ties to be WRs in just about every other aspect that I can think of, yet for some reason they should be excluded from the WR history? It doesn't make sense to me.

I supposed that the root of this discussion is that I disagree with your interpretation of what the site is meant for. In my eyes, it's not simply a representation of "how WRs evolve through time", as you put it (which could easily be represented by a simple graph for each track), but rather a record of the best times that had been driven by any given date. I think that it also serves as recognition for the greats of the game, and that excluding ties does a disservice to their achievements.

For example, in the WR history thread, I mentioned that Pierre and Sami were the only people to have held each of the 40 PAL WRs at some point in time based on the information displayed on the site. However, as you later pointed out, you've also accomplished the same feat, but only if you include ties. I think it's silly that the WR history site doesn't reflect this, as I doubt that anyone would contest that you have in fact held each PAL WR at some point.

There are definite pragmatic objections as well though.
Basically this archive is based on KartSeven's older WR history sites, which did not contain WR-tie information.
A situation will occur that any ties achieved before a certain date will not go recognized, while newer ones will be. Especially as submitting to Sami's personal email rather than Yahoo groups used to be the common mode of operation. If you ask me we're better off not dealing with ties also because of that reason. It'll just feel like a huge mess.

I have no problem not being recognized for the 40/40 as I have not contributed to the WR evolution of all charts. In fact, it doesn't really feel like I achieved a WR on all charts (yet). It's a bit like the quote with Clark and the pizza.

The Non-NBT history is something that could really be intetesting though! Haven't asked Cole, but I'm sure he'd welcome (and hopefully facilitate) the idea.  

While that may be an issue, granted, I think it would be best to try and fix it as best we can rather than leave the current state of not recognizing any ties at all. Even though we may not be able to dig up all old WR ties, I think that Sami's weekly updates should provide a solid foundation for finding the majority of them, and the dates should be reasonably accurate. If need be I can do the digging myself.

I'm feeling better. I thought I had gone amnesic.
In fact, when you wrote "Pierre and Sami were the only people to have held each of the 40 PAL WRs at some point in time", this meant for me 40 PAL WRs at the same time.

^What really bothers me with the fact that we do not include WR ties is that it doesn't show the time investment of some players. They spent a lot of hours to get the WR, even if it's only a tie. It's not that I desperately want to be displayed, but it really discourages players who get a WR tie and are not displayed. Also, what I find REALLY dumb, and yes, I find it incredibly dumb, is how WRs, which have no video at all will remain there and future WR ties which DO HAVE videos are just left out. The WR history site should have as much video proof as possible, right?

Lafungo wrote on 02/24/16 at 10:57:27:


Holy shit that is awesome!   Thanks for linking me to that goldmine. I stand corrected. That probably removes my main problem with including ties actually.

Chris wrote on 02/24/16 at 10:52:57:


WTF? You do know that you're basically proposing to void >90% of the WR history data-points right? Old WRs might not have had video proof in the first place OR may have had videos at some point in the past, on for example Chris Balch' old site, which might now be lost forever (for example due to hosting site going off the air). I would find it exceedingly dumb to remove them based on that premise.  

Ah I see what you mean. For example if you were to tie Sami's VL2 flap of 8"70 and provide a video, then with the current policy the video would not be linked. That is probably one of the best arguments to add ties that I have seen.

Let's ask around if anyone is really against adding ties then. I recall KartSeven and Mario86 were against it back then. If so, please speak up now I guess. My objections have been removed, though I still wouldn't want to do the datamining required myself.

KVD wrote on 02/24/16 at 11:06:15:


I don't think that's what he's saying - I think he means that in the case of a WR tie where one time has a video and the other doesn't, it doesn't make sense to not have this video posted on the WRs site. It also doesn't make sense, as you pointed out, to simply remove times because they didn't have a video and now a WR with a video gets to take its place. The simple solution is to list both times, one with a video link and the other without.



Edit: And this post is now moot thanks to the slow library internet and typing too much.

By the way, it's interesting to notice that there has never been tie-WRs* on the men 100m dash since the introduction of one-hundredth-precision timekeeping.
To be more accurate, there was a tie when Gatlin tied Powell's 9"77 in 2006... but Gatlin's tie was removed when he tested positive the same year.

* when I say "tie-WR", I mean several people sharing the same WR. Because if we talk about a WR being tied by the holder himself, there has been.

I played a bit of SMK TT's for the first time in about 6 months or so and got a small pr on RR lap (ntsc) at 16"94, though really I should be able to get much better but was really rusty.

edit: down to 16"90, but think it should go into the 7x region if I get a decent lap in.