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Re: Strategy and Rules Discussion
Reply #50 - 03/06/07 at 10:42:21
 
Alencar Faria wrote on 03/05/07 at 17:40:55:
Phantomganon wrote on 03/05/07 at 12:13:27:
the SC rule for CCI doesn´t make sense

i used no wall jump, why is it a SC rec, i don´t understand this rule.
the only thing that happens is, that i loose a little bit time, because i waste one mushroom there...
this rule is so......exessive


I'm with you Phantomganon...If you wast time using 1 mushroom where you can do water slides....you will lost time..and no the oposite. No wall short cuts ...because there is a gap....but...I'm only a player  Grin and all that I can do is  :'( :'( :'(



maybe you lose time , and your strat is not the best , but anyway taking the shroom here increase your successrate of passing the gap and then give you more chances of establishing a good record than a bunch of other people , in the end you can take advantage of this by earning a few ranks and passing a few players in the process... i think your strat is not fair even if it's not the best strat.

I think there is enough technicality (by that word , i mean that this gap slide isnt much based on the luck) in this gap slide, so that we can forbid the shroom here, the slide without shroom is doable , i think it need more practice yeah but could be really more doable than the GV platform jumps of SMK PAL for instance

gap slide here can be similar to the VL2 island jumps in SMK PAL
but yeah i know that when we have to suceed 3 laps in a row with the gap slide without shroom , it can be really a pain. Lips Sealed

but personally i have no problem with that strat rule, not much difficult than hirano 's RR strat  Grin Tongue
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Reply #51 - 03/06/07 at 11:22:25
 
lol

but it is allowed to use a mushroom to bounce over the water in rKB1 or what?!
i still don´t understand and i don´t want to understand, thats all, it´s so stupid


i played this fucking flap three THREE hours yesterday and in this time i bounce one time over this shit water without drop down...

i hate this track
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Re: Strategy and Rules Discussion
Reply #52 - 03/06/07 at 11:32:56
 
I spent TWELVE minutes writing that post, and it's like you never read it. It's so stupid!

Seriously, though.
I'd appreciate if you would actually consider what I wrote in response, instead of incessantly yellling it's stupid, but that's not for me to decide.
I'm glad someone else found it useful.  Kiss

Just like the rules explain, shrooming over open water is OK unless it cuts out a substantial amount of track, which would make it a shortcut.


Here's a tip for bouncing over the water easier. Release the gas as you hit the surface. You will slow down less and bounce farther. I know. It's stupid!

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Re: Strategy and Rules Discussion
Reply #53 - 03/06/07 at 11:40:30
 
A Runnelid wrote on 03/06/07 at 11:32:56:
Here's a tip for bouncing over the water easier. Release the gas as you hit the surface. You will slow down less and bounce farther. I know. It's stupid!

Andreas


Well I never knew that. I'll try that out soon. And to Daniel, don't worry about not making the jump every time in a course run, or even just once- my current time was with me just jumping across and landing in the deep water, then popping up again and using my shroom after. The situation isn't too bad, just needs practice Smiley
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Reply #54 - 03/06/07 at 11:48:32
 
I almost feel insulted that you didn't think my informative post useful.
This is not an argument. I am explaining the rules, and I like to think that the post deserved better than a reiteration of how stupid Pabst feels it is.

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Reply #55 - 03/06/07 at 11:50:19
 
No, not your argument- I meant Daniel's argument in that he didn't understand why the shroom over the water wasn't allowed (and that this situation with you having to re-iterate already established rules had come up). I'll edit my post to make it more clear  Undecided sorry for any offence.
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Reply #56 - 03/06/07 at 12:07:08
 
Perhaps a stickied thread should be made detailing the rule choices? That way, it doesn't have to be on the site (It shouldn't have to be, regardless.) and everyone will easily see it.
Most of the explanations are found where the question was raised, so at present, they're scattered throughout several (sometimes unrelated) topics.

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Reply #57 - 03/06/07 at 12:10:55
 
Sounds good to me.
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Reply #58 - 03/06/07 at 12:15:52
 
hey andreas

i never said that your post is stupid, the rule is stupid thats all, ok?
i´m sure you are right, but in my opinoin it keeps that this rule is useless, whatever you say... =/

i´ll try to brake before jumping

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i write a bad english, you see, and i understand as bad as i write, so i´m not sure if i understand your post complete correct.... Wink
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Reply #59 - 03/06/07 at 12:23:24
 
well andreas wrote the rules , so if you say the rule is stupid , you somewhat say that andreas is ... Lips Sealed

about the tips to get the slide to the gap , humm i will try that releasing gas , .. i havent really tried to figure how it could be well performed yet , but i noticed maybe something with the directions and R holding ..needs more investigation ... and maybe also depends on the slide we make just before (and if this slide helps or not)
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Reply #60 - 03/06/07 at 13:21:36
 
Seb, the rules aren't "mine", I just wrote the document.  Smiley

Pabst, no hard feelings, alright?
I can absolutely understand if your post comes off more blunt than you intended it to be, but it's another thing to write that you don't want to understand after you ask and the explanation is offered.

I can't do the CCI jump at all myself, so I'll never reap the benefits of the last shroom spot I found, myself.  Sad Oh, the irony.

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Reply #61 - 03/30/07 at 07:45:25
 
hey guys
i don't know if this strat `for broken pier is new?or old and forbidden? but i believe it's faster
first finished lap with a very bad last corner is 16-80 (opener)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyY8pE5H7O4
i would like to hear some opinions
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Reply #62 - 03/30/07 at 07:48:16
 
if you put a picture up in the next 2 hours (at school, grounded otherwise, maybe i can check it at home  Roll Eyes) then i can tell you if its an illegal strat
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Reply #63 - 03/30/07 at 08:21:20
 
got a new wr with it if it will be allowed
48-41
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16-18
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16-10

i made a vid of that one, too. (i'll upload it later)
but i don't think i can make a picture cause i'm at my girlfriend's house and she is already a bit pissed ^^
just watch when u'r able to Wink
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Reply #64 - 03/30/07 at 09:02:06
 
I'm not sure (so, wait a confirmation), but I think someone already proposed it, and it was forbidden... Even if IMO, it could be allowed, cos we allowed the same stuff at RR...
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Reply #65 - 03/30/07 at 10:02:17
 
Unluckly (for Boom3r), multiple bumping in BP is not allowed.
The only exception is the isolated section in the middle of the track: it does not count as multiple bumping.
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Reply #66 - 03/30/07 at 10:17:22
 
Sad i don't like the normal shroomspot  Undecided
i think i'll have to pratice this track

is it possible to erase the records of one track? Smiley
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Reply #67 - 03/30/07 at 11:02:59
 
Boom3r wrote on 03/30/07 at 10:17:22:
is it possible to erase the records of one track? Smiley


I wish it can be possible ! Angry
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Reply #68 - 03/30/07 at 12:22:13
 
hm damn ^^

but now i know that i won't try any ticking stuff Wink
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Reply #69 - 04/01/07 at 13:50:23
 
i still want to know why my previous bp strat (not the multiple bumping one, the one where you take a sharp right) isnt allowed, it cuts about the exact same as the normal strat. It saves about .10 at most
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Reply #70 - 04/22/07 at 07:44:43
 
In WRVIDS.COM This Pierre WR video in CI1 had some problems. (FLAP 4"93 )

AND:

Quote:
Retro Choco Island 1
You may shroom and use the bumps to cut corners.


Are walls and corners the same thing?
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Reply #71 - 04/22/07 at 12:13:15
 
I just wanted to point out that the reason that in hiding gave to allow ssmt'ing on the site (that it is allowed on the smk one) is not a valid one: ticking is allowed in the smk player site (in mc2).
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Reply #72 - 04/23/07 at 10:41:11
 
The rules have been changed. You may shroom bumpers to go over walls on the Choco Island courses.
This is included in a pending rules document I sent for reviewing quite some time ago.
Everything that is done in the Fastest Available Videos folder contents (Not the TAS folder.) at wrvids.com is fair game.

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Reply #73 - 04/23/07 at 10:48:24
 
Thanks for your explanation Andreas.  Smiley

The main Page have to be updated in page Rules.... Huh
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Reply #74 - 05/07/07 at 16:16:40
 
OMG, why could I think just one minute that I discovered a new strat at RKB1...? Roll Eyes Grin Lips Sealed

Ok, I read the SC Description Page, and the strat I used is considered as SC... That doesn't surprise me much anyway...

Just to know, what are the best times at RKB1 with SC?

I did 25"xx (the battery of my DS were very low, and it shut down before the time were saved Undecided) and 2"54 (with 2 shrooms).

Last question: why couldn't we insert a SC/trick/glitch section on the MKSC site? Could be fun! Cheesy
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