Darth Friedious wrote on 10/15/07 at 01:59:37:The CI1 shortcut skips way too much of the track (more than half), it jumps multiple walls, it involves a jump that just barely lasts long enough to make it over the wall, it involves landing in the wrong direction, it involves going through a large area that you don't normally go through, and it involves circling partially around the finish line. If you allow this, it would be by far the most abusive allowed shortcut, and more abusive than many of the banned shortcuts.
Your opinion here is entirely valid to me, but that doesn't mean I am not going to argue my point.
- RR, RKB1, CL, CCI and LP all skip a large amount of the track with either 1 shroom or none, yet they aren't illegal.
- There are quite a few waterbounces that barely last long enough for you to cross over the water, but they aren't illegal.
- You can land coming out facing the way you want to go, but it is alot harder to do.
- In CL, you do a bounce that I am pretty sure that I can safely assume the developers didn't intend, and yet it is a normal part of the 3-lap strategy. I guess this could be used as an argument towards the going into a large area that you don't normall go through. CCI has something similar to this, but was probably intended by the developers, as they wouldn't have a hole there otherwise.
- It seems to me that it is more of a slight turn to the left after you pass the finish line, allowing you to avoid going around the wall that would be there if you didn't move left, this can be considered abusive in itself though, which I understand.
Darth Friedious wrote on 10/15/07 at 01:59:37:Matt, you gotta stop trying to take advantage of oversights that someone made before they knew about this shortcut. Go for a real WR instead of looking for loopholes in the rules. Jumping walls was only allowed in CI1 because we thought that all the jumps involved jumping only single walls, skipping a small amount of track, and because there was no way to clearly differentiate between jumping over or not jumping over a wall.
You honestly think that I spend my day looking for loopholes in the rules? Going by what is said in the rules, the strategy I used is allowed, of course there can be a rule added so no double wall jumps are allowed, which is exactly why this was brought up, so people can discuss what their opinion is on it.
Alvin van Asselt wrote on 10/15/07 at 03:55:59:I agree. I like easy strats because everybody can do that, just like smk. So I'm against it.
That has to be the single most stupid argument that I have seen against this strategy. Just because it isn't an easy to execute strategy, we should immediatly be against it? Well, that's news to me, looks like we need to ban the RR, CCI, RKB1, old RCI1 flap, RCI1 5lap SG, SL, LP, BP, RDP2, RCI2, RVL1, RVL2, RDP3, and RGV3 strategies for starters. /sarcasm
Try and at least think of a decent argument to use against the strategy like Fried did, instead of bashing it because of its difficulty to do.
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