jealous much

Gregor Fran wrote on 07/07/06 at 22:49:30:

It already says in the main thread who selected the field.  Sorry for not making you happy.

Gregor Fran wrote on 07/07/06 at 22:49:30:

If you are at all concerned about the matchups themselves (not just the players selected), it might be useful to know that the matchups were drawn randomly while still preserving seeding.

Gregor Fran wrote on 07/07/06 at 22:49:30:

We tried very hard to select the best possible group for this contest.  There was a lot of back and forth between the group of us over the course of several weeks in the process of picking players for the contest and then seeding them.

Gregor Fran wrote on 07/07/06 at 22:49:30:

I agree.  We tried not to do this.

Gregor Fran wrote on 07/07/06 at 22:49:30:

Well I'm sorry that I dont have the biographical details of every member of the community memorized.  How could I possibly know all of that?

Gregor Fran wrote on 07/07/06 at 22:49:30:

I feel like we selected the majority of the people responsible for making this website happen.

Gregor Fran wrote on 07/07/06 at 22:49:30:

You've listed service to the site as the most important criteria for the decision.  Keep in mind that this is a "Popularity Contest" and not a Site Awards Ceremony.

Gregor Fran wrote on 07/07/06 at 22:49:30:

Indeed.

If it makes you feel any better Greg, you did make the list of 72...

However, you didn't place in the top 4 of the 8 person poll. If you had you would have been in one of the 4 play-in matchups.

The selection committee included:

Sean Sullivan (runs MKDS site)
Sami Cetin (runs SMK site)
Alex Penev (runs MKDD site + hugely involved with all other sites)
Michael Liem (effectively runs MK64 site)
Michael Fried (topped ranked player in all games plus hugely involved with community)
Jon Barber (didn't really select members but helped us in the process of setting up the contest)
And myself

Some players were given automatic bids into the field based on their performance in the contest 2 years ago (top 16) and some players were given automatic bids based on being one of the top players in their perspective ranks. If some of the players achieved their rankings by hoarding or other non-ethcial means none of the selection committee members who are responsible for their sites (Alex, Sami, Sean, Michael) mentioned any opposition of the inclusion of an auto-bid player due to those reasons. I myself cannot speak on that issue as I do not  follow the submission of times for all the games all that closely.

After the autobids were determined all of us brought names to the table and we even allowed people to bring forth nominations for people we may have overlooked. We all then debated and discussed who should be included in the field of 64. There are just way too many people for everyone to be included and I could name names until I was blue in the face but that wouldn't do anyone much good. I'm sorry if anyone is disappointed and I don't think anyone should feel hurt by not being included. If it makes you feel any better, Andy Launspach, basically one of the people who if weren't for him, none of this might be taking place as we speak didn't even make the field. He was the original MK64 champion and created the very first Kart ranking site on the internet. However, no one in the selection committee even mentioned his name. I thought about him when creating my initial list, then I thought about how he did in the contest 2 years ago and how no one voted for him. Then I decided to pick someone else because I knew for a fact there is no way Andy would have won his matchup. So does that make him not worthy of being included? No sir. It just means to have an interesting relevant contest you need interesting relevant contestants.

If you have any other suggestions or comments please feel free to share them. However, I think our committee did a fine job with picking a field.

Part of the process was the surprise and I was trying not to give away the fact we were in the process of planning a full blown contest.

If you read my actual post (not just the title of the topic)

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I left it pretty open ended and included "community contribution" as a recommended criteria.

Mark Jones wrote on 07/08/06 at 01:28:18:


So the "Favourite Poster" thing was just a cover up? I didn't now about the contest untill just before it started, but had you been planning it for some time, and the "Favourite Poster" thing was a sort of hoax, to decide who was in the contest?

Edit: Of couse! That's why there were no mods/admins, as they would be int he contest anyway. THe "secret prize" was being in the contest. The people who won in the poll filled the blank spaces in the contest.

Having a contest with karters that have only been active in the last 2 years would not result in the best contest. Just because you weren't around more than 2 years ago doesn't mean that there aren't people who have been around since 1997 and will vote based on 10 years worth of experiences.

The poll was not a "hoax." I just was not explicit about what the winners would receive. I asked people to nominate based on a certain recommended set of criteria and if you notice almost everyone that was nominated was already in the contest (which only validates our selection process) and those not already in the contest received a chance to be in the contest by being one of the 8 people to vote on. You'll also notice a small backlash of the 8 choices for the poll as many people who were nominated were not options (because they were already in the contest) based on the selection committee's choicess - further validating our decisions.

TvL wrote on 07/08/06 at 01:37:29:


It's a free board... Go for it. (As long as it's not spam... then it may get deleted)

Well, what i dont like that people of one mk game meet in the first or 2nd round already.

It would be much better when people of different mk games meet.

Therefore, I think all the contestants should have had something to do with kart in the past 2 years.

I looked over the standings and pretty much everyone has had something to do with kart in the last 2 years.

Gregor Fran wrote on 07/07/06 at 22:49:30:

I don't hoard strats and I have a few vids(of vs.), so are you calling me an asshole?

i completely agree with you gregor.  Its nice to see you show some angry emotions too,  

thanks gregor.  i think it just comes down to.. decisions had to be made and we aren't perfect but we did try quite hard to get a good field.