Zwiebel wrote on 11/14/11 at 07:15:48:Just to say, the "Flo isn't only not funny but also a cheater" was merely to get Flo to talk. Tbh, at first I didn't really think he really was cheating, I thought he would have an explanation for it. I'm trolling him all day long because he really acts dumb sometimes, but really, I didn't think he was a cheater, I thought there would be some logical reason. So that post was just a troll, with maybe a little provocation in it to make him justify himself.
But as things went on, it's undeniable there's something totally going wrong. Just because we have not investigated it the last 2 years, does that mean we shouldn't now too? That's no good reasoning. He's not cooperating, he's not willing to even think about how those times got onto the site. Again, he did not even say that it might be typos. and he knew it for more than 1 year (like Pierre said) and didn't ask the times to be removed. How do you want me to act now?
I'll also send a PM to Pierre and ask him if he still has a copy of the PM he sent to Flo and if he got an answer.
Here's the thing (and I hinted on this in a previous post): two years ago, aside from Gaff, there were really only two active news/times updaters: karterfreak (he stepped down in summer sometime) and myself (I started in June). If Gaff knew about the improper times, then okay, but I knew nothing of this until July of this year. No investigation was done because the two people who essentially did all day-to-day operation at the time knew nothing about this (or at least I didn't, and karterfreak never brought it up with me), and we were so behind in generally keeping the site up that if it had been brought up, it would likely have been overlooked at the time. This is why I keep saying over and over again: if there's an issue like this, then I need to know about it.
If I don't know anything about it, I can't do anything about it. Flo didn't "cooperate" because there was no investigation to "cooperate" with. Pierre (to my knowledge) has never been a staff member of this site. Anyone is more than welcome to communicate with anyone else regarding times and such, but if the site staff doesn't know, there is no official investigation. (As I said, I'm not speaking for Gaff here as I don't speak with him that much myself, but I knew nothing about this until a few months ago.)
As for how I want you to act, I expect you to be respectful. You are more than welcome to disagree with me or Gaff or anyone else, but you need to be respectful of not only Gaff and I, but to others in this community. As staff, quite frankly, you shouldn't be trolling people, no matter what you might think of them. You should be setting an example, and any concerns you have should be addressed with Gaff or myself rather than "investigated" on your own, as you do not have decision-making authority on this site. If that isn't acceptable for you, you do have the option of stepping down. I'd rather have staff that works with Gaff and I, not against us. Trying to bandwagon TvK into stepping down isn't going to make me do whatever you want. As a matter of fact, what do you want? So far, I've seen nothing that suggests he did cheat, and he's not on the site anymore, so there is no question of removing times.
I have PMed Flo, and I'll PM Pierre, because all of the investigation info needs to go to me, as I am the one now investigating this. You still have not brought me any valid reason why this needs to be investigated, and no, his sudden desire to remove his times isn't enough, because he doesn't have to explain himself, to you or anyone else, but since this is what you want, your wish is my command.
Edit: FYI, I'm making a topic to discuss all improper/wrong/inaccurate times and this situation. I would appreciate this being reverted back to news updates discussion.
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