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Reply #1800 - 11/10/11 at 09:31:14
 
Then tell me, what was your reason to delete your times. Otherwise all your points are invalid.
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Reply #1801 - 11/10/11 at 10:53:22
 
I've already said it. I won't repeat myself.
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Reply #1802 - 11/10/11 at 13:44:57
 
IIRC, Flo had an inaccurate time or so, and he did not have a game to play on to fix this. To be fair to the people that he was ahead of on that track, he simply asked to have his times removed until he could get a full (accurate) timesheet. I personally would have done the same myself.
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Reply #1803 - 11/10/11 at 13:50:02
 
Why did he then even submit that time. Doesn't sound like a good argument.
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Reply #1804 - 11/10/11 at 16:37:59
 
It wasn't only one time, but 4 ! That was the problem.
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Reply #1805 - 11/10/11 at 17:47:37
 
No wonder Flo didn't want to repeat himself...

Timur: The day after I saw Flo's original post and the edit, I sent a series of PMs to Flo explaining why his post was edited and an explanation of why the community and especially the administrators would view that kind of post the way we do. I don't think he got it at all - he's pretty set on how he views things and how he feels about them I think. Thanks for trying though.

Flo, I'll try again:

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It would be extremely dumb and disrespectful of me to ask for the readdition of my account for no reason...


New players get "added for no reason" whenever they join the site. If the times posted are legitimate, we are in fact eager to see a new face around here, especially considering that this game has been out for a decade now.

What wasn't carefully thought out in your original post was the fact that you were asking volunteers to go through the trouble of digging up deleted times, and you went out of your way to mention that you had no desire to actually be a part of this community in practically the same sentence. That's like asking someone for help with something, then turning your back on them and not associating yourself with them or even thanking them for their trouble.

That's the misunderstanding here. I don't think you honestly intended to offend anybody, but with the way you worded yourself, you did. A better post would be something along the lines of:

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So... I would like to know a couple times I achieved in MKSC, but since my account has been deleted and I can't access my game, I don't know them. Do you guys know of a way I could find the times? Or, if it's not possible for me to do it, could an administrator find a log of my times or something? Thanks in advance.


Make sense now?

Oh, and by the way. Portraying yourself as some kind of victim of injustice - ["So now, stop your bullshit posts and stop flaming me for no reason."] - while describing what you say with words like "intelligent and interesting" isn't exactly going to make your posts desirable to read.

So yes, I guess I'll conclude by saying that I am in full agreement with this post.

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Demanding that your times be removed from the site is a slap in the face to the people who run it, whether or not you had a good reason for it. So to turn around and ask those people for a favor, while still refusing to put your times back up, is just incredibly arrogant and disrespectful. It was a stupid, selfish thing to ask, so I'm not surprised Rambi decided to intervene and save Flo from the embarrassment of having asked it.
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Reply #1806 - 11/11/11 at 02:29:56
 
hahaae wrote on 11/10/11 at 13:44:57:
IIRC, Flo had an inaccurate time or so, and he did not have a game to play on to fix this. To be fair to the people that he was ahead of on that track, he simply asked to have his times removed until he could get a full (accurate) timesheet. I personally would have done the same myself.


Exactly. And even if there are more than 1, I can't check them, so I'd rather not disturb the whole community and perform new times again and submit them again instead of letting them on the site and everyone complains about it.

Shock wrote on 11/10/11 at 17:47:37:
and you went out of your way to mention that you had no desire to actually be a part of this community in practically the same sentence.

Wrong! I said I didn't want to come back for now, because I didn't have the game for now, but I'll come back for sure whenever it's possible...

And yes, I guess you wrote what I meant in a better way but I didn't think you would interpret wrongly what I said. And I thought this was enough. But the way you wrote it was better than mine I have to admit.
Anyway, nothing to say anymore, problem solved.
Thank you.
And I'll join the site when I'll have time to play again and when I'll get the game on my 3DS if I can't get my MKSC cartridge back before that.
So no need to discuss about that anymore.
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Reply #1807 - 11/11/11 at 04:59:07
 
I still want to know how the fuck 4 wrong times came onto the site. That can't happen by accident.

Flo, I think you're a cheater.
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Reply #1808 - 11/11/11 at 05:57:01
 
Fant0m wrote on 11/10/11 at 07:14:55:
I said I would redo all the times I can't prove and send them again on the player's page.
And I was not asking that for all my times, but just 2 of them I couldn't find anywhere...


I won't immediatly call you a liar, Flo, but that's absolutely not what you said back then. I found the original message you sent to the yahoo groups:

Delete MKSC account   Message List    
Reply   Message #8466 of 8720 < Prev | Next >  

Hey guys,
I just wanted to tell you that I'm not playing MKSC anymore on the main rules
chart now so I'd like you to remove my account (so my name and my times) of the
MKSC rankings.
Thanks
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You clearly said all of your times and even your entire profile. I didn't immediatly remove you, because I found this message highly suspicious; because you sent it right after Pierre said this in the Fenner thread.

Alicia Kart wrote on 07/18/11 at 05:55:00:
I ask a little parenthesis about Flo (Fantomas) : he has (at least) 4 false times on the site since a long time. Tom and Termo already know that, and when I told Flo about it last year (or maybe even in 2009), he refused to cooperate.

He's not the only one, but he's still active here, and is the highest ranked with this problem, so I'd like to see this issue solved.


SO I found this suspicious and talked about it with robman and Mick. They both wanted to make it public and ask more about it to Pierre; but we agreed to first send it to April. She said she would contact Gaff, so I didn't look back to it. Back then the site was busy handling the Fenner case, so probably people forgot about this.
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Reply #1809 - 11/11/11 at 07:57:45
 
Let's ban Flo from the rankings and forum

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Reply #1810 - 11/11/11 at 08:46:25
 
Zwieb, getting irritated with how someone is handling their situation badly isn't a reason to remove them from the site if they are legit.

Flo is talking quite pompously and sounding like he's in the right, when he really should be acting conservatively and being apologetic, but this shouldn't be a case against him.

Whether you let him back on the site again should depend solely on the legitimacy of his times, and not of his character, and while this may be extremely annoying and certainly not what you want to do, it is the thing you should do.
However if it turns out some of his times were cheated in the past, then this obviously changes the situation.
Just giving my (hopefully impartial) opinion, considering I expect I'll be getting MKSC soon.
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Reply #1811 - 11/11/11 at 09:28:20
 
Timur isn't at all asking to remove Flo because of his attitude. Flo has always been like this, but he is tolerated, although he's annoying sometimes. Timur is totally in his right to attack Flo on his statements concerning his times and the site. He might do this in an impatient way, but that's just because Flo is trying to get around the points made by some people.

Nobody in this discussion is trying to get Flo banned because of his charcter. The thing is that Pierre brought up that Flo has false times on the site, and this cannot be considered as an accident, because the times have been up for over two years. It gets even more suspicious because Flo immediatly asked for the full removal of his times and his profile on the site.

Now Flo states things that go straight against the things he said back then, namely saying that he only wanted 2 times to be removed and that the false times were just small inaccuracies, even though Pierre told him more than 2 years ago that his times were false. And now he's even saying that he wants to rejoin the site after he has a complete timesheet again.
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Reply #1812 - 11/11/11 at 10:21:06
 
I never said I wanted 2 times to be removed!
I definitely wanted to get my whole profil removed. Or are you talking about something else?
And I'll post again and submit the times I could prove in the past with all the vids I made of MKSC. And for the other times I couldn't prove, then I'll do them again on the MKSC I get.
I just want to be 100% cleared of any suspicion. And I didn't want to have any case on me and didn't want to be bothered by this. So I prefered deleting my account on the PP for now and asked for it. And I'll resubmit all the times I can prove, later. And I can't see anything wrong with that.
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Reply #1813 - 11/11/11 at 10:37:36
 
sounds like a cheater trying to run away
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Reply #1814 - 11/11/11 at 10:42:07
 
Fant0m wrote on 11/11/11 at 10:21:06:
I never said I wanted 2 times to be removed!
I definitely wanted to get my whole profil removed. Or are you talking about something else?
And I'll post again and submit the times I could prove in the past with all the vids I made of MKSC. And for the other times I couldn't prove, then I'll do them again on the MKSC I get.
I just want to be 100% cleared of any suspicion. And I didn't want to have any case on me and didn't want to be bothered by this. So I prefered deleting my account on the PP for now and asked for it. And I'll resubmit all the times I can prove, later. And I can't see anything wrong with that.


There are 2 possibilities:

1) This is a giant misunderstanding, and if it is, flo will have no problems about doing vids of his newtimes when he'll get back MKSC. When do you expect to get it again?
2) He is a cheater and he should be removed. We have 100% or at least an high chance he is a cheater? Well, we only THINK he is a cheater only 'cause he wanted his profile deleted after Pierre said that his times are false. Maybe in the momentum he asked for the worse thing he could do, being accused of cheating is never funny. BUT, if you are innocent, why did you asked it? A vid of the doubted times would have been the safest way. To make 4 new PRs you require about a week, but even less if you play at a good rate.
However, ATM, we don't have enough proofs to consider him a cheater
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Reply #1815 - 11/11/11 at 11:17:36
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 11/11/11 at 10:37:36:
sounds like a cheater trying to run away


qft

Also, I actually don't want another disaster like Fenner, so I'll give you this.

Explain me how 4 false times got on the site. If you can give a proper reason I'll leave you alone.
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Reply #1816 - 11/11/11 at 12:37:35
 
No I can't and that's why I prefered to delete my account, so I could start again with proved times and no problems anymore.
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Reply #1817 - 11/11/11 at 14:13:03
 
Wait, the people in charge are actually enforcing the rules now?!?

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Reply #1818 - 11/11/11 at 14:36:06
 
Fant0m wrote on 11/11/11 at 12:37:35:
No I can't and that's why I prefered to delete my account, so I could start again with proved times and no problems anymore.


LOL. Problems just got bigger with all the shit you did.

Unless you don't tell us how that could possibly happen, I would not allow you back on the site. I'm not in charge of that decision but I say this as an updater who cares, not as someone who doesn'T like you. My personal preferences do not have anything to do with this opinion.
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Reply #1819 - 11/11/11 at 14:52:49
 
Nosey, play by the SC rules and not the PP rules when you get the game  Smiley

I still think that full SC charts would be a nice addition (Mander's database + Cyberscore + VGR cover just about all of the SC players).
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Reply #1820 - 11/11/11 at 15:17:22
 
Sorry, but I'll be sticking to PP rules when I join Sad
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Reply #1821 - 11/11/11 at 15:27:05
 
As you wish. I won't join back then.
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Reply #1822 - 11/11/11 at 21:52:57
 
Flo's times (including the 4 questionable times) are no longer on the site -- why is there so much arguing about what happened? If I remember right, the false times (be them typos or something else) were added at least in 2009, if not before. I have not seen any proof that cheating is a possibility with Flo, and he is allowed to have his times removed if he so chooses, just as anyone else is here, and he shouldn't have to explain himself. For what it's worth, his choosing to leave was a completely independent decision (aka not part of the Fenner exodus).

If he ever decides to rejoin, we'll revisit that then, but until then, there's no point in arguing about times that are not on the site.

Also: Like I've said before, if there are questions of someone's legitimacy, contact me. My information is below, just in case you can't get me via PM.
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Reply #1823 - 11/11/11 at 22:33:49
 
No idea if this is the right thread, but my first submission has been updated onto the site and I've debued (how do u spell that?) at #97 Int D. I've improved since then and will try to continue to improve more  Smiley
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Reply #1824 - 11/12/11 at 04:11:05
 
Debuted*
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