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Reply #7850 - 05/05/13 at 08:17:02
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 05/05/13 at 07:46:30:
well the DP1 rule is different, it states “if PRB is still in effect” blah blah, so it allows for the exception

but on PG nobody has ever PRB’d the patch of grass in no PRB, the strat for the first MT makes it impossible to keep the PRB

while it would make sense to “standardize” the rule and make it like on DP1, we did that for DP1 because people were actually PRBing the grass, but on no PRB PG nobody ever has, so it seems stupid to go and say that it’s allowed now

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Reply #7851 - 05/05/13 at 08:18:15
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 05/05/13 at 07:46:30:
well the DP1 rule is different, it states “if PRB is still in effect” blah blah, so it allows for the exception

but on PG nobody has ever PRB’d the patch of grass in no PRB, the strat for the first MT makes it impossible to keep the PRB

while it would make sense to “standardize” the rule and make it like on DP1, we did that for DP1 because people were actually PRBing the grass, but on no PRB PG nobody ever has, so it seems stupid to go and say that it’s allowed now

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No way should this be allowed. Change the definition to be like RDP1 if necessary.
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Reply #7852 - 05/05/13 at 08:26:19
 
Both clearly state you can't release a prb mt off road.

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In order to create the most comfortable playing rules, the PRB glitch is allowed at the beginning of some races: if the best 'natural' racing line requires the player to perform miniturbos quickly enough that it will cause PRB, then it is allowed in that section of the race.


Not everyone has the same strat so when you try to mt quick as possible you may have prb upon reaching the flowers.

When I last revised the rules, I accounted for this on several tracks to standardize things.

SR: Prb-racing is not allowed to cut across the grass to reach the tunnel sooner, you can't release an MT offroad until prb has worn off.
DKP: Prb-racing may not be used to cut across the snow, you can't release an MT offroad until prb has worn off.
MC: Prb-racing may not be used to cut through the grass to the right of the first goomba. Prb may be used to cut through the sand on the first turn, after passing the goomba to the left, and grass clips on that straight are also allowed. If prb is still in effect when you reach the part where the piranhas are before the tunnel, you can't release an MT offroad until prb has worn off.
PG: Prb-racing may not be used to cut through flowers/grass, you can't release an MT offroad until prb has worn off.
DP1: Prb-racing may not be used to cut through the grass after the bridge. If prb is still in effect, you can't release an MT offroad until prb has worn off.
SG: Prb-racing may only be used up to and including the clouds next to the first rainbow colored ramp jump. After jumping over the gap, you may not release an MT until prb has worn off.


I can't help it if people don't read things or ask questions if something is confusing. Lips Sealed

I think it's easier to allow this than arbitrarily force people to slow down in order to lose prb before reaching the flowers.  This also stays in line with how other tracks are treated.

If it makes things clearer include the part about if prb is still in effect for those other tracks or ban it entirely like LC2?
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Reply #7853 - 05/05/13 at 08:34:18
 
Etch wrote on 05/05/13 at 08:26:19:
I think it's easier to allow this than arbitrarily force people to slow down in order to lose prb before reaching the flowers.

you’re missing the point: nobody ever has had to slow down; the best racing line makes you lose PRB already, it’s the strat everyone has been using

you have to go out of your way to keep the PRB alive just to get there, it’s a whole other issue to other tracks
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Reply #7854 - 05/05/13 at 08:36:16
 
Etch wrote on 05/05/13 at 08:26:19:
SG: Prb-racing may only be used up to and including the clouds next to the first rainbow colored ramp jump. After jumping over the gap, you may not release an MT until prb has worn off.
I think it's easier to allow this than arbitrarily force people to slow down in order to lose prb before reaching the flowers.

I don't really see the problem, the same sort of rule is already applied in SG. I never really read the rules completely properly before, I never realised this sort of exception would technically be allowed by the definition.
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Reply #7855 - 05/05/13 at 09:26:19
 
There is a physical boundary on SG, not pixels.

The rules are more or less to account for prb if/when it arises.

If the majority feels that it's impossible to keep prb to the flowers on this line than I will simply change the rule to banning any prb effects entering the flowers.  I also like to keep things the way we have been doing them so the revised rule will read like this!

PG: Prb-racing may not be in effect or used to cut through flowers/grass.

I hadn't given this any thought until I saw Ben's time, hopefully this clears things up! Smiley
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Reply #7856 - 05/05/13 at 09:33:30
 
I agree with that rule for PG
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Reply #7857 - 05/05/13 at 09:35:11
 
Sounds good to me Smiley
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Reply #7858 - 05/05/13 at 12:50:54
 
Since I can't watch David's vid(fuck you GEMA) I don't know, but I always lost prb by default and there was never that issue for me, but David's lines might differ from mine, so I wouldn't judge that. Either way I think it's good that it's gonna be cleared up.

I'm really surprised this hasn't come up some years ago, David's MTs are too fast Grin
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Reply #7859 - 05/05/13 at 13:23:22
 
Zwiebel wrote on 05/05/13 at 12:50:54:
David's MTs are too fast


Yes, nothing seems impossible so I left the door open for that possibility but like Abel pointed out it would be a pain to go back and check all the prb times that would technically be considered non-prb under that interpretation.  In the interest of maintaining the history of this chart, prb should be banned all together there during a non-prb run.

When I update the rules, I will further clarify when a prb mt can be released before going offroad or not.
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Reply #7860 - 05/05/13 at 19:00:43
 
Etch wrote on 05/05/13 at 13:23:22:
it would be a pain to go back and check all the prb times that would technically be considered non-prb under that interpretation.  In the interest of maintaining the history of this chart, prb should be banned all together there during a non-prb run.

When I update the rules, I will further clarify when a prb mt can be released before going offroad or not.


I agree with Michele. The updated rule is what everyone has always been doing on PG, people always jumped the gap so PRB was lost. While it is strange that it never came up, this is probably because doing what Ben did in his run would practically mean there is no difference between PRB and nonPRB runs... Consistency has to me maintained.
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Reply #7862 - 05/07/13 at 00:22:17
 
And the TOW (Track of the Week) goes to... Luigi's Mansion! Tongue

Maybe you could go tighter on the first tree part and also the very last corner of the track, especally for last lap, you could try the flap strat.
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Reply #7863 - 05/13/13 at 14:59:37
 
PG 1'25"655 by DarkMatter

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Reply #7864 - 05/13/13 at 15:06:14
 
Etch wrote on 05/13/13 at 14:59:37:
PG 1'25"655 by DarkMatter

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wow nice  Smiley I wonder what strat he used.
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Reply #7865 - 05/13/13 at 15:48:53
 
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Reply #7866 - 05/14/13 at 01:11:07
 
Etch wrote on 05/13/13 at 14:59:37:
PG 1'25"655 by DarkMatter

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He apparently got this time in 8 minutes Grin
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Reply #7867 - 05/14/13 at 14:30:54
 
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Reply #7868 - 05/14/13 at 16:04:21
 
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Reply #7869 - 05/14/13 at 17:08:32
 
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Reply #7870 - 05/14/13 at 17:12:35
 
Grats Ben!

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Reply #7872 - 05/15/13 at 08:10:48
 
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Reply #7873 - 05/15/13 at 08:25:25
 
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