Is there a vid of this?

Man, I was really hoping that this wouldn't happen, but it finally did.

Let me just say that while I agree that NBT means achieving the fastest possible times without abusing tricks or glitches, I can't really say whether or not I'm on the SC or Non-SC side of the argument.  I haven't thought about it enough, but I understand both sides of the argument, and for the time being, I think I'd rather stay neutral on this discussion.

I'd be up for an MSN debate sometime, if people want to get that anal and arrange an online meeting time.

In MC2 you can't ban it because you can jump over any amount of wall so there's no clear boundary to make a good rule.  What's it like in CI1?  Are you clearly either jumping over the wall or not jumping over the wall or can you jump over just a little of it?  And would you ever jump over just a little of it by accident while using a normal strat or do you have to do something completely different for it to work?

The Amazing Krysster-Man wrote on 04/23/06 at 07:46:56:


Ok, now go ?

nbt = new boost technique
sc= short cut..

i dont see how you inferef sc from nbt.

I posted my thoughts on the WR page before this topic was moved.

But it is up to The Jedi Council Decision  

Darth Friedious wrote on 04/24/06 at 07:58:54:


In a word, no. You only get over the wall because you go over the zippers twice. Even tho i love long boost i still think it is a glitch in the game. I would class MC2 long boost the same as wall jumping in CI1, SC's. Personally i think neither should be allowed, even in the current CI1 WR. If you ban wall jumping like in GAS's vid then you have to ban all wall jumping in any part of the game. So id say as a general rule, any part of the game where you jump over a wall to gain time is SC hence should not be allowed as a proper time.

EDIT: sorry Fried i misread what you said, you would still make it over the wall if you still held A, just wouldnt get the boost. Still i dont think that matters as the technique of getting Long Boost is a glitch in my eyes.

KVD wrote on 04/24/06 at 09:39:09:


But when you use the long boost you still jump over the wall and don't use the bumper . I think the example still fits .
(Well in fact I'm not even sure if we are talking about the same thing lol  )

I don't agree but I understand what you mean .  

What I meant is that you skip walls on MC2 with the jump thing anyway, so it doesn't matter much if it happens with other walls too there. It is inevitable, you do 2 so why not 4?

I think you really have to be careful with comparing it to MC2, the decision should be based on what we would consider rules for other courses. The jump and arrows combination make MC2 a very unique track unlike all others and therefore it cannot be compared with general SMK tracks under any circumstance.

Also I'm not sure about a poll as we can't see who votes in it. I don't like voting to be anonymous. People can also post their opinion in this thread so we can verify all the votes at the same time.  

And majority rules don't always lead to the best possible decision (see who's president of the USA  ), so the poll result should not automatically be conclusive anyway. I'm saying this regardless what the end result will be like. I just don't like polls to dictate rule making, generally speaking. Of course it's a nice indicator to have, but it should defo not be conclusive.

EDIT: also this part in the poll description can be manipulating: "we can compare this SC to the MC2 double arrow technique
(which is a multiple wall jump technique)
but we can say MC2 is programmed to be SC like and not CI1."

I don't think it should be compared, reason stated above.

Hehe, well that's one problem out of the way, but it still leaves the other issues.  

The extra yellow bar is programmed there for a reason, of course it's not SC if you jump over those walls. How can you even consider that SC?  
It's just not comparable at all.