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Reply #50 - 04/12/06 at 18:30:35
 
The fastest route without prb I believe.
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #51 - 04/12/06 at 18:45:30
 
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/12/06 at 18:21:36:
Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 15:47:38:
You can't base rules on things that are that opinionated. There are going to be worse players out there who don't notice the difference or think it's faster.

As I said you can't just base it on 1 person thinking something is faster, then 1 person could just say he finds prb natural everywhere.  And a worse player would lose even more time than a good player if he tries this harder strat.


How exactly would you define a natural route in MKDS? I just want to make sure I'm interpreting it correctly.



I think its defined as the route you would take if u were not prbing i.e the fastest route... fried has already said that it was natural basically he said something about doing an extra mt which i didnt do anyway so he knows its natural its the same as my non prb except for the tiniest little bit in which my non prb cuts like a pixel more cloud... besides im pretty sure not everyone does the "exact" same line every time it fluctuates and the way my prb is done is a natural line fried has to admit that he was wrong sooner or later, many people have already agreed that they use the identical strat through that section without prb even steltzig... the rules need to be changed.
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Reply #52 - 04/12/06 at 18:51:09
 
I'm pretty sure you guys have the right idea, but I would prefer a direct answer from Fried so it's a clear, direct response, and not an "I think..."
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #53 - 04/12/06 at 19:01:03
 
Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 15:47:38:
I am an idiot.


See it doesnt matter what he says
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Reply #54 - 04/12/06 at 20:21:27
 
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/12/06 at 18:51:09:
I'm pretty sure you guys have the right idea, but I would prefer a direct answer from Fried so it's a clear, direct response, and not an "I think..."


I already explained what natural means hundreds of times so stfu.

its the same as my non prb except for the tiniest little bit in which my non prb cuts like a pixel more cloud

It shouldn't be compared to how much cloud you cut through in the non-prb route.  On laps 2 and 3, I got into the cloud just before reaching the ramp and almost right after that I jump, so I'm in the cloud for a very short time.  That's natural.  On lap 1, prb is still in effect at that part, so even though it's only natural to cut through a tiny bit of cloud, because of the no clear boundary rule you can't stop people from cutting through more cloud.  With your strat, the whole strat is based on cutting through more cloud than is natural.
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #55 - 04/12/06 at 21:16:11
 
Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 20:21:27:
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/12/06 at 18:51:09:
I'm pretty sure you guys have the right idea, but I would prefer a direct answer from Fried so it's a clear, direct response, and not an "I think..."


I already explained what natural means hundreds of times so stfu.

its the same as my non prb except for the tiniest little bit in which my non prb cuts like a pixel more cloud

It shouldn't be compared to how much cloud you cut through in the non-prb route.  On laps 2 and 3, I got into the cloud just before reaching the ramp and almost right after that I jump, so I'm in the cloud for a very short time.  That's natural.  On lap 1, prb is still in effect at that part, so even though it's only natural to cut through a tiny bit of cloud, because of the no clear boundary rule you can't stop people from cutting through more cloud.  With your strat, the whole strat is based on cutting through more cloud than is natural.




prb is allowed until after the ramp so it doesnt matter what i do there. Stop prb second lap then.  Tongue
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Reply #56 - 04/12/06 at 21:21:23
 
prb is allowed until after the ramp so it doesnt matter what i do there

Yeah it does.  The rules are based on where the prb would end if you do a natural strat.  If using an unnatural strat leads to prb still being in effect in a part of the race where prb isn't allowed, then you can't use that strat even if you're still in the part of the race where prb is allowed.
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #57 - 04/12/06 at 21:39:35
 
On the first lap im sure u cut through just as much cloud as me. If prb is allowed until after the ramp theres nothing stopping me from doing whatever i want on that section and then the section in dispute is done "naturally" just admit you were wrong, change the rules and i'll be on my way.
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #58 - 04/12/06 at 21:43:37
 
ur a moron so if i were to take a wide ass route in the first section of sky garden to keep prb going which i dont anyway my times would be invalid even if i only prbed up until the ramp? basically you're just trying to protect ur stupid rules with anything possible PRB is allowed up until past the ramp ill do it however i like, which is exactly the strat everyone else does up until that point but somehow its un natural because michael fried said so, ur a joke mate get ur head out of ur ass u dont run the site.


Edit: and if u really wanna be a cock about it i can just do the strat cutting the minimum amount of cloud there and make a new vid if u really wanna be a pain in the ass
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Reply #59 - 04/12/06 at 22:20:10
 
Hmm, I am pretty sure people PRB where the rules say otherwise anyway. You can't deny this. even on different courses. Grin
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Reply #60 - 04/12/06 at 22:25:46
 
Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 21:21:23:
prb is allowed until after the ramp so it doesnt matter what i do there

Yeah it does.  The rules are based on where the prb would end if you do a natural strat.  If using an unnatural strat leads to prb still being in effect in a part of the race where prb isn't allowed, then you can't use that strat even if you're still in the part of the race where prb is allowed.



and the prb is allowed to continue further under the same rules i.e past the ramp as long as u dont use it to cut the next corner with an awkward route and you have admitted urself that the route i take here is not awkward and is natural and are now trying to argue about the way i jump to the right of the ramp, which does not matter one bit as the prb allowed part of the course continues after that jump so where i am at the end of the prb allowed section is the exact same spot as everyone else according to the people here who have stated their strats are exactly the same as mine besides the prb and to disregard ur argument of my route through the prb section you yourself have stated many times that when there is a prb section allowed there is no way we can differentiate between how far off the track people go so we must allow it fully in that section and in that regard my prb section is fine and ends up where everyone else does at the the end of the prb section and start of the non prb section and takes a "natural" route through the non prb section which u have admitted to and therefore the rules need to be changed if u have any more arguments i would be glad to destroy them
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Reply #61 - 04/12/06 at 22:34:44
 
Magi Koopa wrote on 04/12/06 at 22:25:46:
Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 21:21:23:
prb is allowed until after the ramp so it doesnt matter what i do there

Yeah it does.  The rules are based on where the prb would end if you do a natural strat.  If using an unnatural strat leads to prb still being in effect in a part of the race where prb isn't allowed, then you can't use that strat even if you're still in the part of the race where prb is allowed.



and the prb is allowed to continue further under the same rules i.e past the ramp as long as u dont use it to cut the next corner with an awkward route and you have admitted urself that the route i take here is not awkward and is natural and are now trying to argue about the way i jump to the right of the ramp, which does not matter one bit as the prb allowed part of the course continues after that jump so where i am at the end of the prb allowed section is the exact same spot as everyone else according to the people here who have stated their strats are exactly the same as mine besides the prb and to disregard ur argument of my route through the prb section you yourself have stated many times that when there is a prb section allowed there is no way we can differentiate between how far off the track people go so we must allow it fully in that section and in that regard my prb section is fine and ends up where everyone else does at the the end of the prb section and start of the non prb section and takes a "natural" route through the non prb section which u have admitted to and therefore the rules need to be changed if u have any more arguments i would be glad to destroy them



Hmm, why didn't you just keep quiet about the way you do it? Nobody would have really noticed >___>


That way there wouldn't be such a debate  Grin
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Reply #62 - 04/12/06 at 23:03:45
 
cause if i get the WR people would be suspicious...  Grin
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Reply #63 - 04/13/06 at 03:37:17
 
If you really want to see my strat is identical Fried i can make a replay of my PR ghost wich didn't use PRB. Roll Eyes
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Reply #64 - 04/13/06 at 06:26:56
 
ur a good kid stelzig  Wink
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Reply #65 - 04/13/06 at 06:48:03
 
Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 20:21:27:
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/12/06 at 18:51:09:
I'm pretty sure you guys have the right idea, but I would prefer a direct answer from Fried so it's a clear, direct response, and not an "I think..."


I already explained what natural means hundreds of times so stfu.

its the same as my non prb except for the tiniest little bit in which my non prb cuts like a pixel more cloud

It shouldn't be compared to how much cloud you cut through in the non-prb route.  On laps 2 and 3, I got into the cloud just before reaching the ramp and almost right after that I jump, so I'm in the cloud for a very short time.  That's natural.  On lap 1, prb is still in effect at that part, so even though it's only natural to cut through a tiny bit of cloud, because of the no clear boundary rule you can't stop people from cutting through more cloud.  With your strat, the whole strat is based on cutting through more cloud than is natural.


How about you just stop being a jerk, because the more you act immature the more I lose respect for you.
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Reply #66 - 04/13/06 at 08:06:35
 
He's not being a jerk, you're just being a loser.

Is that really what this is all about?

We have a decent set of rules all rip-roaring-and ready to go, and we're already using them.  We have over three hundred people who comply by those rules and send in their times, and this shit is pretty well-organized.  Are you truly going to sit there and whine for PRB?  Can I ask you why?  Why do you want to put PRB in, so we can fuck up this whole situation that we have all neatly assembled?  Honestly, you're being immature here by just not accepting what the mods and respected members of the site are doing.  Don't like it?  Make your own boards, stat sheets, and charts.  Guarantee you it sucks.
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Reply #67 - 04/13/06 at 08:25:13
 
So I'm a sore loser because I can argue without resorting to flaming? Roll Eyes Last time I checked, telling people to stfu when they innocently asked a question is being a jerk.
I want PRB because it's too restrictive in a mode that's about getting the fastest times, not because I want to undermine the entire place. I'm not sure why people can't grasp the fact that the issue is very divisive and applies to more than 5-10 people.
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Reply #68 - 04/13/06 at 09:15:50
 
Did I say sore loser?  If so, my bad.  I just meant loser.  Not sure if that's an improvement.

Furthermore, like I said before, if you're going to vie for PRB being allowed, start your own site rather then change this one.
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Reply #69 - 04/13/06 at 09:33:12
 
Adam u dont understand if prb occurs natural then by the neat and tidy fucking rules that have been created then it should be allowed.
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Reply #70 - 04/13/06 at 10:05:38
 
Don't waste your breath Adam, nothing you can say or do can make them change their mind.
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Reply #71 - 04/13/06 at 14:27:09
 
I understand that Etch, I'm just tired of hearing them day in and day out complaining about this shit.

NOONE WANTS YOU HERE.  IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PRB RULES, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.  

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Reply #72 - 04/13/06 at 19:19:56
 
Clueless, Fucking loser.
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Reply #73 - 04/13/06 at 19:31:02
 
Magi Koopa wrote on 04/13/06 at 19:19:56:
Clueless, Fucking loser.


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Reply #74 - 04/13/06 at 19:37:06
 
Haha sorry to be mean but its the truth, i am for prb but i will listen to non prb arguments if theyre valid... and here we're discussing something thats relevant to the sites rules, not complaining about the whole prb thing although i would rather it be allowed everywhere, but its about the SG rule.
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