Mario Kart MB - The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell

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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #25 - 04/12/06 at 02:04:53

Darth Friedious wrote on 04/11/06 at 17:43:03:

even if jumping the cloud to the right is natural... somehow im not saying it isnt but doesnt seem natural then why should people have to stop mting in order to lose prb to cut the next corner which is more natural? no one has answered that yet.

If you can keep up the prb after jumping the gap without taking an awkward route then I'd be interested in seeing a vid of that. I can't imagine how it would be done. The way I do it is 1 L MT, then 1 R MT which runs out just about when I jump the gap, and there's no time to do another MT quickly enough to continue the prb. If you do something like 2 L MTs, then an R MT then I'm pretty sure you'd need to take an awkward route, but as I said, if you don't agree then feel free to make a vid and prove me wrong.

heres my vid:

http://rapidshare.de/files/17803057/Why_the_SG_prb_rules_suck_by_thomas_riell...

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Nicola Titan Offline MKDS will never die! 6910 holabolas Italy Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #26 - 04/12/06 at 02:51:05 For me, the SG PRB rules are OK.. ftw
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Curaga. King Offline God of the fortress ( will have wrs back one day ) 6881 days karting Sydney, Australia Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #27 - 04/12/06 at 03:35:07 Darth Dunno wrote on 04/12/06 at 02:51:05: For me, the SG PRB rules are OK.. ftw did u watch the vid... its natural i follow the same line as my non prb ghost.. that is behind me so he really follows it...
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Curaga. King Offline God of the fortress ( will have wrs back one day ) seen 6881 mj vids Sydney, Australia Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #28 - 04/12/06 at 05:08:36 ok u guys can change the rules now
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Michael F Titan Offline wrvids.com 7879 movie reviews	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #29 - 04/12/06 at 11:05:09 As I said, it's natural if you'd take that route if prb didn't exist. If prb didn't exist, adding in that MT there would be a bad strat.
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Etch sage Offline 3.0+1.0=CUTE 6964 time runner-up	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #30 - 04/12/06 at 11:07:20 Just do not say it is a bad rule. Try what Fried suggested here and you might see why.
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #31 - 04/12/06 at 14:30:53

actually the second left is after i cut the corner if i didnt have the prb id probably do more mts cause id be in the cloud... just admit it the rules suck it goes right left then left out on the straight after the corner Grin

anything else wrong? i can probably make a live vid if u dont believe me

or i have the top screen replay

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Curaga. King Offline God of the fortress ( will have wrs back one day ) fell 6881 times for marty Sydney, Australia Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #32 - 04/12/06 at 14:36:11 and theres nothing else that u can say is wrong with it cause it follows the line of my non prb ghost, although im sure you'll try...
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Michael F Titan Offline wrvids.com 7879 movie reviews	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #33 - 04/12/06 at 14:38:44 Making a live vid won't prove anything. You'd have to hack MKDS, take out prb, and then show that this MT strat is still the fastest strat. The way you do those MTs you go through lots of clouds which would have slowed you down a lot.
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #34 - 04/12/06 at 15:03:43

Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 11:05:09:

As I said, it's natural if you'd take that route if prb didn't exist. If prb didn't exist, adding in that MT there would be a bad strat.

u just said yourself there it was natural... and its exactly the same route as my non prb no more fucking mts added ur just a dick

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Reply #35 - 04/12/06 at 15:34:51

Magi Koopa wrote on 04/12/06 at 15:03:43:

Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 11:05:09:

As I said, it's natural if you'd take that route if prb didn't exist. If prb didn't exist, adding in that MT there would be a bad strat.

u just said yourself there it was natural... and its exactly the same route as my non prb no more fucking mts added ur just a dick

Not exactly the same, there are slight differences in the path.

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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #36 - 04/12/06 at 15:35:59

Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 15:34:51:

Magi Koopa wrote on 04/12/06 at 15:03:43:

Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 11:05:09:

As I said, it's natural if you'd take that route if prb didn't exist. If prb didn't exist, adding in that MT there would be a bad strat.

u just said yourself there it was natural... and its exactly the same route as my non prb no more fucking mts added ur just a dick

Not exactly the same, there are slight differences in the path.

If the difference is only "slight" then I don't see how its naturality won't be debatable.

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Michael F Titan Offline wrvids.com 7879 movie reviews	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #37 - 04/12/06 at 15:38:32 If the difference is only "slight" then I don't see how its naturality won't be debatable. It doesn't matter if it's only a slight difference. If it's slightly slower then that makes it unnatural.
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Curaga. King Offline God of the fortress ( will have wrs back one day ) fell 6881 times for marty Sydney, Australia Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #38 - 04/12/06 at 15:38:38 theres not even an extra mt added its exactly the same as the route i take non prb except i might add one more mt i think on non prb im not sure
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #39 - 04/12/06 at 15:40:29

Magi Koopa wrote on 04/12/06 at 15:38:38:

theres not even an extra mt added its exactly the same as the route i take non prb except i might add one more mt i think on non prb im not sure

Does anyone else do that MT? Can can't just base the rules on what 1 person does. Otherwise you could just use that same argument for every track.

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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #40 - 04/12/06 at 15:40:45

Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 15:38:32:

If the difference is only "slight" then I don't see how its naturality won't be debatable.

It doesn't matter if it's only a slight difference. If it's slightly slower then that makes it unnatural.

You can't base rules on things that are that opinionated. There are going to be worse players out there who don't notice the difference or think it's faster.

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Curaga. King Offline God of the fortress ( will have wrs back one day ) 6881 days karting Sydney, Australia Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #41 - 04/12/06 at 15:44:27 if you watch the video u can see its the same as my non prb probably cuts less cloud... i.e faster with non prb
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #42 - 04/12/06 at 15:47:38

You can't base rules on things that are that opinionated. There are going to be worse players out there who don't notice the difference or think it's faster.

As I said you can't just base it on 1 person thinking something is faster, then 1 person could just say he finds prb natural everywhere. And a worse player would lose even more time than a good player if he tries this harder strat.

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Curaga. King Offline God of the fortress ( will have wrs back one day ) hit 6881 moles Sydney, Australia Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #43 - 04/12/06 at 15:51:21 im nothing special as a karter...
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stelzig Legend Offline 7225 days karting Arhus, Denmark Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #44 - 04/12/06 at 15:51:43 I just watched the vid and except for the jump past the ramp in the beginning to keep PRB, my strat is identical to the one shown.
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Curaga. King Offline God of the fortress ( will have wrs back one day ) 6881 days karting Sydney, Australia Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #45 - 04/12/06 at 15:56:37 thank you steltzig the prb jump wasnt in question it was the section after that ^^ so yay Edit: so fried should hack it
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TBK King Offline 6990 days karting Germany Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #46 - 04/12/06 at 17:38:07 I dont see why this is unnatural. I've watched the video and my strat is identical to this one aswell, except of course I dont PRB.
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Nick Welch Legend Offline #4 MKDS 2007 6870 holabolas USA Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #47 - 04/12/06 at 17:52:53 Yay! I got 23:496 without PRB, I can't do it in Sky Garden.
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Slider FTW King Offline Mkds #11 punched 6890 kiddies Illinois, U.S.A. Gender:	Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell Reply #48 - 04/12/06 at 18:02:26 nice, i have a 23.2xx now >_>
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Re: The SG PRB rules are stupid as hell
Reply #49 - 04/12/06 at 18:21:36

Darth Friedious wrote on 04/12/06 at 15:47:38:

You can't base rules on things that are that opinionated. There are going to be worse players out there who don't notice the difference or think it's faster.

As I said you can't just base it on 1 person thinking something is faster, then 1 person could just say he finds prb natural everywhere. And a worse player would lose even more time than a good player if he tries this harder strat.

How exactly would you define a natural route in MKDS? I just want to make sure I'm interpreting it correctly.

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