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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #75 - 04/04/06 at 13:28:28

Nathan Cromwell wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:25:37:

Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:22:55:

M wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:10:49:

That seems very arrogant saying a time is only a WR if the player is a member of your site.

It's not arrogant, that's how WRs work, you have to submit them, and as of now the MKDS players' page is the most official MKDS WR site.

What gives you the authority to say that about this website? It's arrogant, obnoxious, elitist garbage.

World Record means best in the WORLD. Who cares if this is the most official site. Times better than the ones here exist, so denying them the quality of being a WR just because it isn't on the site is hypocritical.

i could run the 100m dash in 9.25s in my backyard.. would that be a world record? no
but its the fastest time in the world... your statement is invalid

Your backyard has 0 credibility, unlike the Japanese website.

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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #77 - 04/04/06 at 13:31:15

The Juggernaut wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:27:06:

It's going to be funny when you get flamed the shit out of for being a dumbass.

They're most likely using PRB, plainly because they have no rules against it. This is the foremost site of MKDS records, therefore we have a decent amount of authority to call something a WR or not, and we don't accept PRB times. I'm sure you understand that. PRB is a bunch of crap, it's not an intended maneuver in the game, but Time Trials do mean for you to "get around the track as fast as possible". For now, we leave it to the people in the higher echelons of this site to decide what's going down. I say the Japs are cheaters.

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edit- this was aimed to a post, way up in the board. noone around me is being yelled at.

Yes, so Rainbow Road isn't a world record because they might have PRB'd on the road Roll Eyes

I've also established that whether or not something is intentional doesn't mean it should be disallowed. If PRB was banned because it wasn't intended than the DDJ shortcut w/o a shroom would be banned.

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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #78 - 04/04/06 at 13:32:17

I believe the true argument behind all of this is "Is PRB an intended maneuver in MKDS?" Of which it isn't. So are the Japanese citizens exploiting a maneuver to gain better times? Yes. Is the simple goal of a Time Trial getting around the track as fast as possible? Yes. However, PRB is not cheating, but it's walking the line very close. I believe that this site has the right standards by not allowing PRB and therefore, nullifying the Japanese times.

If Guiness says something is a WR, it's a WR.

If this site says a time is the WR, it's a WR. You guys never complained before.

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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #79 - 04/04/06 at 13:32:24

Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:28:28:

Nathan Cromwell wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:25:37:

Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:22:55:

M wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:10:49:

That seems very arrogant saying a time is only a WR if the player is a member of your site.

It's not arrogant, that's how WRs work, you have to submit them, and as of now the MKDS players' page is the most official MKDS WR site.

What gives you the authority to say that about this website? It's arrogant, obnoxious, elitist garbage.

World Record means best in the WORLD. Who cares if this is the most official site. Times better than the ones here exist, so denying them the quality of being a WR just because it isn't on the site is hypocritical.

i could run the 100m dash in 9.25s in my backyard.. would that be a world record? no
but its the fastest time in the world... your statement is invalid

Your backyard has 0 credibility, unlike the Japanese website.

but its still the fastest time in the world... according to your logic its the wr

i can't read the Japanese website how do i know it has credibility.... is everything on the internet true? i didn't believe any of the times on the mkdd site when i joined... then i saw the vids... you better pony up some japanese vids if you want some credibility

and whos to say that ddj no shroom jump wasn't intentional... if it wasn't intentional it wouldn't be possible... same with yc jump... PRB on the other hand is a glitch that which may even be intentional its just uber cheap and not allowed because of that

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BenB Karter Offline 6971 days karting UK Gender:	Re: Japanese Records Reply #80 - 04/04/06 at 13:32:56 PRB is irrelevant to my argument. I am simply questioning why a player HAS to be a member of this site for his time to be considered a World Record.
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The Juggernaut Elite Offline Leibach is the Juggernaut. fell 6894 times for marty New York, USA Gender:	Re: Japanese Records Reply #81 - 04/04/06 at 13:33:57 Because the basis on which he/she claims their time a WR has zero credibility, like Cromwell's backyard.
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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #82 - 04/04/06 at 13:35:14

The Juggernaut wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:32:17:

I believe the true argument behind all of this is "Is PRB an intended maneuver in MKDS?" Of which it isn't. So are the Japanese citizens exploiting a maneuver to gain better times? Yes. Is the simple goal of a Time Trial getting around the track as fast as possible? Yes. However, PRB is not cheating, but it's walking the line very close. I believe that this site has the right standards by not allowing PRB and therefore, nullifying the Japanese times.

If Guiness says something is a WR, it's a WR.

If this site says a time is the WR, it's a WR. You guys never complained before.

Like I said before, not all Japanese records used PRB to gain an advantage (Rainbow Road comes to mind). There's no good reason to invalidate their RR record.

The Japanese website has credibility because they have pictures proving those scores were obtained. What makes videos more credible than pictures when PRB isn't an issue? There's no way every single one of those players has some way to hack the DS to show those times.

Do all of the MKDS scores even have videos?

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yaz King Offline drank 7393 beers	Re: Japanese Records Reply #83 - 04/04/06 at 13:35:22 Just ask them for proof you lazy ****. Then this will be solved.
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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #84 - 04/04/06 at 13:35:37

BenB wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:32:56:

PRB is irrelevant to my argument. I am simply questioning why a player HAS to be a member of this site for his time to be considered a World Record.

because of the way the database is setup... they have to be in the database... thus be a member and have submitted the time... we can't take the times and add them to our site without permission

@kalle: why don't you ask and be useful

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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #85 - 04/04/06 at 13:36:13

Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:35:14:

The Juggernaut wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:32:17:

I believe the true argument behind all of this is "Is PRB an intended maneuver in MKDS?" Of which it isn't. So are the Japanese citizens exploiting a maneuver to gain better times? Yes. Is the simple goal of a Time Trial getting around the track as fast as possible? Yes. However, PRB is not cheating, but it's walking the line very close. I believe that this site has the right standards by not allowing PRB and therefore, nullifying the Japanese times.

If Guiness says something is a WR, it's a WR.

If this site says a time is the WR, it's a WR. You guys never complained before.

Like I said before, not all Japanese records used PRB to gain an advantage (Rainbow Road comes to mind). There's no good reason to invalidate their RR record.

The Japanese website has credibility because they have pictures proving those scores were obtained. What makes videos more credible than pictures when PRB isn't an issue? There's no way every single one of those players has some way to hack the DS to show those times.

Do all of the MKDS scores even have videos?

Miguel hasn't got video proof for over half of his WR's. Nor have a lot of players who currently hold WR's.

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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #86 - 04/04/06 at 13:36:17

Then what did you mean by "and the PRB issue............AGAIN............well, that's your own fault for making up those rules!!!"? What's my fault? When I said they're suspicious, I meant prb times are suspicious for prb times and the non-prb times are suspicious for non-prb times. I thought that was common sense, everyone knows they allow prb.

that's even dumber lol. everybody knows it's common sense by you players to find probable prb-times suspicious for being non-prb

times...

prb-times suspicious for prb-times lol...just...too...funny. you know that's just hilarious.

and yeah, you were right in that one point. you didn't bring up the PRB issue on this board...Josh did. but still, don't fucking tell me

you don't give a shit if they are set with prb or not...you are curious, i can fell it!

hey micheal, don't take anything personal. it's just an interesting discussion! =)

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Nintendude1189 Elite Offline 7069 days karting	Re: Japanese Records Reply #87 - 04/04/06 at 13:36:40 The Juggernaut wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:33:57: Because the basis on which he/she claims their time a WR has zero credibility, like Cromwell's backyard. Even though pictures can be faked, it provides at least SOME basis. Saying there is absolutely no basis for the scores is garbage.
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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #88 - 04/04/06 at 13:37:55

MilanPacino wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:36:13:

Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:35:14:

The Juggernaut wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:32:17:

I believe the true argument behind all of this is "Is PRB an intended maneuver in MKDS?" Of which it isn't. So are the Japanese citizens exploiting a maneuver to gain better times? Yes. Is the simple goal of a Time Trial getting around the track as fast as possible? Yes. However, PRB is not cheating, but it's walking the line very close. I believe that this site has the right standards by not allowing PRB and therefore, nullifying the Japanese times.

If Guiness says something is a WR, it's a WR.

If this site says a time is the WR, it's a WR. You guys never complained before.

Like I said before, not all Japanese records used PRB to gain an advantage (Rainbow Road comes to mind). There's no good reason to invalidate their RR record.

The Japanese website has credibility because they have pictures proving those scores were obtained. What makes videos more credible than pictures when PRB isn't an issue? There's no way every single one of those players has some way to hack the DS to show those times.

Do all of the MKDS scores even have videos?

Miguel hasn't got video proof for over half of his WR's. Nor have a lot of players who currently hold WR's.

By the logic of the elitists here, no video proof = no WR. Not all scores here are backed by video so they don't have the right to be called world records.

You guys are so contradictory. You're just so incredulous at the Japanese scores that you make up crap.

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yaz King Offline 7393 holabolas	Re: Japanese Records Reply #89 - 04/04/06 at 13:38:09 Nah Nathan, I'm not a part of the MKDS community. I didn't even like the game!
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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #90 - 04/04/06 at 13:41:36

Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:37:55:

MilanPacino wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:36:13:

Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:35:14:

The Juggernaut wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:32:17:

I believe the true argument behind all of this is "Is PRB an intended maneuver in MKDS?" Of which it isn't. So are the Japanese citizens exploiting a maneuver to gain better times? Yes. Is the simple goal of a Time Trial getting around the track as fast as possible? Yes. However, PRB is not cheating, but it's walking the line very close. I believe that this site has the right standards by not allowing PRB and therefore, nullifying the Japanese times.

If Guiness says something is a WR, it's a WR.

If this site says a time is the WR, it's a WR. You guys never complained before.

Like I said before, not all Japanese records used PRB to gain an advantage (Rainbow Road comes to mind). There's no good reason to invalidate their RR record.

The Japanese website has credibility because they have pictures proving those scores were obtained. What makes videos more credible than pictures when PRB isn't an issue? There's no way every single one of those players has some way to hack the DS to show those times.

Do all of the MKDS scores even have videos?

Miguel hasn't got video proof for over half of his WR's. Nor have a lot of players who currently hold WR's.

By the logic of the elitists here, no video proof = no WR. Not all scores here are backed by video so they don't have the right to be called world records.

You guys are so contradictory. You're just so incredulous at the Japanese scores that you make up crap.

did you not read the post i talked about this... go back and read it and you'll understand Roll Eyes

and pics are good proof but it doesn't rule out the fact that someone is using PRB or an AR... so its just not plausible...

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Nintendude1189 Elite Offline 7069 days karting	Re: Japanese Records Reply #91 - 04/04/06 at 13:42:22 You guys also say WRs are only held by registered members. Well Mario Kart 64 has some acknowledged world records not held by registered members. Yet another contradiction. If Miguel left the site for whatever reason would you still call his times the world records?
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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #92 - 04/04/06 at 13:42:24

Nathan Cromwell wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:35:37:

BenB wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:32:56:

PRB is irrelevant to my argument. I am simply questioning why a player HAS to be a member of this site for his time to be considered a World Record.

because of the way the database is setup... they have to be in the database... thus be a member and have submitted the time... we can't take the times and add them to our site without permission

@kalle: why don't you ask and be useful

Calling it 'Site Records' would solve that. And why do you need permission to show World Record times? Its not like anyone wouldn't want to take credit for holding a World Record.

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Reply #93 - 04/04/06 at 13:44:27

and whos to say that ddj no shroom jump wasn't intentional... if it wasn't intentional it wouldn't be possible... same with yc jump... PRB on the other hand is a glitch that which may even be intentional its just uber cheap and not allowed because of that

Try getting some common sense. Why would the bridge slow you down if they didn't intend you to cross it without boosting? Why would you need to use an obscure manuver?

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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #94 - 04/04/06 at 13:44:47

Nathan Cromwell wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:41:36:

Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:37:55:

MilanPacino wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:36:13:

Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:35:14:

The Juggernaut wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:32:17:

I believe the true argument behind all of this is "Is PRB an intended maneuver in MKDS?" Of which it isn't. So are the Japanese citizens exploiting a maneuver to gain better times? Yes. Is the simple goal of a Time Trial getting around the track as fast as possible? Yes. However, PRB is not cheating, but it's walking the line very close. I believe that this site has the right standards by not allowing PRB and therefore, nullifying the Japanese times.

If Guiness says something is a WR, it's a WR.

If this site says a time is the WR, it's a WR. You guys never complained before.

Like I said before, not all Japanese records used PRB to gain an advantage (Rainbow Road comes to mind). There's no good reason to invalidate their RR record.

The Japanese website has credibility because they have pictures proving those scores were obtained. What makes videos more credible than pictures when PRB isn't an issue? There's no way every single one of those players has some way to hack the DS to show those times.

Do all of the MKDS scores even have videos?

Miguel hasn't got video proof for over half of his WR's. Nor have a lot of players who currently hold WR's.

By the logic of the elitists here, no video proof = no WR. Not all scores here are backed by video so they don't have the right to be called world records.

You guys are so contradictory. You're just so incredulous at the Japanese scores that you make up crap.

did you not read the post i talked about this... go back and read it and you'll understand Roll Eyes

and pics are good proof but it doesn't rule out the fact that someone is using PRB or an AR... so its just not plausible...

You do know you could change every frame of a video and easily fake that aswell. It brings up the question, what exactly is considered as proof?

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Reply #96 - 04/04/06 at 13:46:25

and pics are good proof but it doesn't rule out the fact that someone is using PRB or an AR... so its just not plausible...

Videos don't rule out the fact that the videos themselves were edited. It's possible, just like it's possible to edit a picture. Apparently difficulty never has a factor in any rule making here, so don't just say that because it's too hard to do it's an invalid argument.

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