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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #100 - 04/04/06 at 13:50:47
 
MilanPacino wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:44:47:
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I believe the true argument behind all of this is "Is PRB an intended maneuver in MKDS?"  Of which it isn't.  So are the Japanese citizens exploiting a maneuver to gain better times?  Yes.  Is the simple goal of a Time Trial getting around the track as fast as possible?  Yes.  However, PRB is not cheating, but it's walking the line very close.  I believe that this site has the right standards by not allowing PRB and therefore, nullifying the Japanese times.

If Guiness says something is a WR, it's a WR.

If this site says a time is the WR, it's a WR.  You guys never complained before.


Like I said before, not all Japanese records used PRB to gain an advantage (Rainbow Road comes to mind). There's no good reason to invalidate their RR record.

The Japanese website has credibility because they have pictures proving those scores were obtained. What makes videos more credible than pictures when PRB isn't an issue? There's no way every single one of those players has some way to hack the DS to show those times.

Do all of the MKDS scores even have videos?


Miguel hasn't got video proof for over half of his WR's.  Nor have a lot of players who currently hold WR's.


By the logic of the elitists here, no video proof = no WR. Not all scores here are backed by video so they don't have the right to be called world records.

You guys are so contradictory. You're just so incredulous at the Japanese scores that you make up crap.


did you not read the post i talked about this... go back and read it and you'll understand Roll Eyes

and pics are good proof but it doesn't rule out the fact that someone is using PRB or an AR... so its just not plausible...


You do know you could change every frame of a video and easily fake that aswell.  It brings up the question, what exactly is considered as proof?


thats not easily done milan... it is possible and could be done if someone wanted to... but it would take time to do it...

having someone watch you or sending the cartridge would be the best... but no one (including me) would send there cartridge to someone... it would just be too costly especially if something happens to it and having a mod come over to watch you play isn't really plausible either

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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #101 - 04/04/06 at 13:51:49
 
thats not easily done milan... it is possible and could be done if someone wanted to... but it would take time to do it...  

The difficulty isn't the point. It's possible therefore they are just as credible as pictures. Your logic is flawed.
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Reply #102 - 04/04/06 at 13:52:07
 
So what is plausible? What should we do??
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Reply #103 - 04/04/06 at 13:52:46
 
Frostbeule wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:52:07:
So what is plausible? What should we do??

Learn to trust the Japanese and not disrespect them. That's what this site needs to do.
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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #104 - 04/04/06 at 13:53:18
 
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:51:49:
thats not easily done milan... it is possible and could be done if someone wanted to... but it would take time to do it...  

The difficulty isn't the point. It's possible therefore they are just as credible as pictures. Your logic is flawed.


LOL, love the way Nathan looks like a fool when arguing without Fried by his side.  Dumbass.
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Reply #105 - 04/04/06 at 13:54:09
 
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 13:51:49:
thats not easily done milan... it is possible and could be done if someone wanted to... but it would take time to do it...  

The difficulty isn't the point. It's possible therefore they are just as credible as pictures. Your logic is flawed.


a picture could be faked in minutes, you could have a fullset fakes in an hour... videos take hours a fullset would take days/weeks... and the racing has to be believable to the time... so on f8c you fake a 1'16"000 and you race like total shit its gonna be obvious

and nowadays alot of ppl have wifi so thats a good judge of skill to a point
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Reply #106 - 04/04/06 at 13:54:40
 
Yes Nintendude I know that. I've always respected the Japs, and I've even had my times on japanese high score sites.
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Reply #107 - 04/04/06 at 13:56:49
 
and who is disrespecting the japanese? other than maybe fried... i don't have a problem with there times but they have to submit them here before they show as wrs on the site... and show some proof... as much as alot of ppl here... (atleast a few vids) so we know they are abiding by the site rules
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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #108 - 04/04/06 at 13:58:30
 
Well i dont think they will join this site. From my experience, Japaneses prefer to not join foreign sites. That's why i joined their sites instead.
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Reply #109 - 04/04/06 at 14:10:37
 
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Reply #110 - 04/04/06 at 15:08:12
 
Well.
I stopped playing MKDS but i've some information on Japaneses, because i follow many of their boards/chats

1) They are strong, in arcade games no one can win them.
2) They give their trust basing on a picture or a previous friendship
3) sometimes they cheat! In every board i visited (MKSC/MKDS) someone claimed an amazing time and the community asked him from proof, then, after some time, the claimed record has been deleted.
4) They have movie too. I've seen two (moo moo farm very close to our site record and F8C 1"17"xxx)
5) I asked for RR video but they dont have it.
6) everytime one japanese beat a record, all the others encourage him for making a faster time! They never want to stop.

The main forum, as already said, is:
http://www.planetown.net/cgi-bin/bbs/03/bbs.cgi

Each circuit has a different subforum
Here moo moo farm video:
http://f.flvmaker.com/mcj.php?id=dDxcPpX4__GKUTAF6Eq.PMqehLcwBpXAjEYGJBYuJLOS...

Use this site for translate: it's the more accurate i've found:
http://honyaku.yahoo.co.jp/transtext

Use the central column button to set "from english" (option 1) or "to english" (option 2).
Other option are for chinese and korean.

I've found a web chat too, where some of the best players talks (bdash and killer):
http://gikowarda.cherry.cgiboyDOTcom/

(subst. DOT with '.')

please do not abuse of that.
For entering the chat, write your name in the second label and press enter. Then you will see the real time chat messages
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Reply #111 - 04/04/06 at 18:07:55
 
I had to go all of a sudden and now there's so many posts to read. Sad

What gives you the authority to say that about this website? It's arrogant, obnoxious, elitist garbage.

Until you can show me a website that fits the description of an official website better than the MKDS players' page, then calling other sites just as official is arrogant, obnoxious, and elitist.  The player's page has the most experience in running MK sites.  He does more than other MK sites to attract members from all over the world.  And most importantly, it's the only MKDS site (afaik) that has a decent proof policy.

World Record means best in the WORLD. Who cares if this is the most official site. Times better than the ones here exist, so denying them the quality of being a WR just because it isn't on the site is hypocritical.

Well there could theoretically be some guy living in the middle of nowhere with the WR for running a mile, but that doesn't mean we have to stop calling Hicham's time the WR.

Guiness uses the best known accomplishments for many many things. We KNOW that the times here aren't the best, so it definately is not the same thing.

We don't know that.  All we know is there might be other better times, but no one cares, just like no one cares that some guy in the middle of nowhere beat Hicham's time.

Your backyard has 0 credibility, unlike the Japanese website.

What's the difference?  It seems identical to me.  He can claim whatever he wants about what he did in his backyard, just like Japanese people can submit whatever times they want to the site.  Until they get a proof policy, they have exactly the same credibility as his backyard or as some random site a group of friends made to brag about how awesome they are at the game.

Will be so funny when the japanese show proof and everyone here will cry.

The only reason I'd cry is if I was jealous of them, which isn't the case.  And I already explained jealousy and trust earlier so I won't get into that again.  If they show proof I'll be happy.

PRB is irrelevant to my argument. I am simply questioning why a player HAS to be a member of this site for his time to be considered a World Record.

Well if the guy in the middle of nowhere never submits his running time to guiness, as I said, no one will care.

The Japanese website has credibility because they have pictures proving those scores were obtained. What makes videos more credible than pictures when PRB isn't an issue? There's no way every single one of those players has some way to hack the DS to show those times.

Miguel hasn't got video proof for over half of his WR's.  Nor have a lot of players who currently hold WR's.

As I said earlier, there's a big difference between no credibility whatsoever and just no vid proof but good reason to believe he's telling the truth.  With vids of other races to show his skills combined with never refusing to explain his strats, it's pretty convincing that the times are real.

prb-times suspicious for prb-times lol...just...too...funny. you know that's just hilarious.

I don't get what's funny about that, unless you don't know what the word suspicious means.  I'll use an MKSC analogy.  Let's say there's a glitch in MKSC called tree-tricking, and there's a certain race where 1:40 is an excellent non-glitch time and 1:36 is an excellent tree-tricking time.  If someone claims 1:32 with tree-tricking, then it's a tree-tricking time that's suspicious for a tree-tricking time.

you don't  give a shit if they are set with prb or not...you are curious, i can fell it!

Yeah, of course I'm curious, but it's irrelevant to my point.  Even if they do use prb in CCB, I don't see how sub-1:28 is possible.

The Japanese website has credibility because they have pictures proving those scores were obtained. What makes videos more credible than pictures when PRB isn't an issue? There's no way every single one of those players has some way to hack the DS to show those times.

Everyone knows it's easy to fake pics.  And so what if it's unlikely that they're all faked?  It's also unlikely that they're all faked if there's no kind of proof.  We need a kind of proof that tells us they got those times.  Videos are much harder to fake, and if they try to mess with the timer it's likely to be caught when you notice the driving quality isn't good enough.  As the april fools joke/Hab incident said, "Our proof methods are just a method to increase trust. However, even after you succesfully delivered the proof, it's important to realize that our existing proof methods still aren't a 100% guarantee that your times are really valid."

By the logic of the elitists here, no video proof = no WR. Not all scores here are backed by video so they don't have the right to be called world records.

Point covered already.

You guys also say WRs are only held by registered members. Well Mario Kart 64 has some acknowledged world records not held by registered members. Yet another contradiction.

Are you talking about Former Member?  What do you mean by registered?  His times are in the mariokart64.com database.
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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #112 - 04/04/06 at 18:52:47
 
What's the difference?  It seems identical to me.  He can claim whatever he wants about what he did in his backyard, just like Japanese people can submit whatever times they want to the site.  Until they get a proof policy, they have exactly the same credibility as his backyard or as some random site a group of friends made to brag about how awesome they are at the game.

They have pictures of their times, which is a lot more proof than a guy running in his backyard claiming a time. Don't bring up the argument that pictures are faked much more easily than videos. Difficulty doesn't factor into this site's rules according to you. I am aware that you said that the proof methods aren't 100% valid, but if it isn't 100% then you can't just draw an imaginary line for credibility. You need to acknowledge that the Japanese beat some of our scores.

As I said earlier, there's a big difference between no credibility whatsoever and just no vid proof but good reason to believe he's telling the truth.  With vids of other races to show his skills combined with never refusing to explain his strats, it's pretty convincing that the times are real.


So I suppose BDash has no credibility? The Japanese players have a few videos, as mentioned before. You are choosing to disregard their entire community by saying WRs must be by users registered on this site. That's bullshit. Mario Kart 64's community has times by "Former Member," and those weren't even held by that member (except for 2).

I'm drawing the line on that discussion here, it's too off topic to waste my time with.

Until you can show me a website that fits the description of an official website better than the MKDS players' page, then calling other sites just as official is arrogant, obnoxious, and elitist.

Well no other significant sites ever claimed to be official, so that argument is compeltely invalid. The point is that you have gone so far to say this is the official website. Unless it's run by Nintendo, an official website does not exist. Communities cooperate and form a large unofficial international rankings site. This system has worked for so many other games, so I have no idea why Mario Kart should be ruined by elitist thoughts. The proper thing to do would be to change it to site records instead of world records. Either that or add Japanese scores.

And most importantly, it's the only MKDS site (afaik) that has a decent proof policy.


That's your opinion. Obviously the Japanese do not agree with that. If you are going to say that your opinion is superior to theirs then you have proven my point. You are disrepecting the Japanese.
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Reply #113 - 04/04/06 at 19:14:18
 
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 18:52:47:
So I suppose BDash has no credibility? The Japanese players have a few videos, as mentioned before. You are choosing to disregard their entire community by saying WRs must be by users registered on this site. That's bullshit. Mario Kart 64's community has times by "Former Member," and those weren't even held by that member (except for 2)


But they were submitted by Eric Habrich as his times (how was liem and the other admin of the site to know that they weren't eric's times... as far as they were concerned and knew they were eric's times)... proven with videos... true that is one of the flaws in the system... but there HAS to be a certain trust level that the submitter is submitting his own times and that they are true

Videos are better than pics... thus our system is better than the japanese if they only require photos... pictures as a proof system has more flaws than video
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Reply #114 - 04/04/06 at 19:23:23
 
They have pictures of their times, which is a lot more proof than a guy running in his backyard claiming a time. Don't bring up the argument that pictures are faked much more easily than videos. Difficulty doesn't factor into this site's rules according to you. I am aware that you said that the proof methods aren't 100% valid, but if it isn't 100% then you can't just draw an imaginary line for credibility. You need to acknowledge that the Japanese beat some of our scores.

What I said about difficulty was about rules for what is and what isn't allowed during racing.  Rules about proof policy is different.  And it's not an imaginary line, it wasn't just thrown in some random arbitrary place.  Video proof is the best kind of proof that it's reasonable to ask for.  As the Hab announcement said, it's not possible to send live referees all over the planet to eyewitness every single PR of every single player and to do identity checks, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do as much as is possible.

So I suppose BDash has no credibility? The Japanese players have a few videos, as mentioned before. You are choosing to disregard their entire community by saying WRs must be by users registered on this site. That's bullshit. Mario Kart 64's community has times by "Former Member," and those weren't even held by that member (except for 2).

Who's BDash?  Does he have vids?  If he has vids to prove his skill level then I'll trust him.  Btw does anyone know what codec I need to watch that MMF vid?  It doesn't play for me.  And Former Member has vid proof of his times and the times are in the database, so it's like he's registered.

Well no other significant sites ever claimed to be official, so that argument is compeltely invalid.

Well then why are you disputing that the players' page is the most official?

The point is that you have gone so far to say this is the official website.

I didn't say it's the official site.  I said it's the most official site, as in more official than any others.  Here's the definition of official, let me know which definition you think this site doesn't fit more than other sites:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=official

Unless it's run by Nintendo, an official website does not exist.

Is Guiness run by the inventor of all those sports?  No.  Is it still more official than other WR books?  Yes.

Communities cooperate and form a large unofficial international rankings site. This system has worked for so many other games, so I have no idea why Mario Kart should be ruined by elitist thoughts.

Why waste our time creating a new site?  We already have an international rankings site, this one.

The proper thing to do would be to change it to site records instead of world records. Either that or add Japanese scores.

As someone said earlier, we can't just add their times without their permission.  Some people don't want their times on this site.

That's your opinion. Obviously the Japanese do not agree with that. If you are going to say that your opinion is superior to theirs then you have proven my point. You are disrepecting the Japanese.

Since when did being allowed to submit whatever times you want with no proof become a "proof policy"?  And what opinion are you talking about?  Did the Japanese say they think their proof policy is good?  And even if they do require pics, it's common knowledge that they're much easier to fake than vids, so it's not my opinion that our proof policy is better, it's fact.

And I already said I respect the Japanese so if you can't deal with that then fuck you.  I don't wanna deal with people who tell me who I respect and who I don't.  It seems you just like pissing people off.
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Reply #115 - 04/04/06 at 19:28:19
 
true that is one of the flaws in the system

Yes, exactly. The system is flawed, therefore it needs to be changed. Calling the records "site records" instead of WRs would solve the problem. Then there would be a reason to disregard Japanese scores.

but there HAS to be a certain trust level that the submitter is submitting his own times and that they are true

Well where are proofs for players like Tom Norton?

Videos are better than pics... thus our system is better than the japanese if they only require photos... pictures as a proof system has more flaws than video

The point wasn't which one wasbetter, it was what's decent. Pictures are decent, videos are better, but that doesn't mean you can disregard picture proof as a legitimate system.

Don't try to say the best method is the only one that is acceptable. If that were the case the site would require live videos from everyone.
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Reply #116 - 04/04/06 at 19:33:52
 

If you go to the WR page, it says "WRs (based on site charts)" and always has, I have no problem with this statement.

English is a more common language than Japanese.  Not only that, but with the help of our members we've translated the joining page into french, german, italian, spanish, and japanese.  As far as I can tell, the japanese have not made similar efforts, although I do admit not having research the subject recently.

People claiming to have world records should use a common language, like english, and search for a world record listing online...

Googling Mario Kart DS world records returns our site as the first hit, so people should be able to find us quite easily.

I do not think it is too much to ask for players to submit their times to our website as the process is very simple.  

Some of the Japenese times are better than the times on this site.  Some of the French times probably also are (correct me if i'm wrong).  Congratulations for these players for beating our times.  They can submit their times to this site with proof and we will recognize them.
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Reply #117 - 04/04/06 at 19:41:40
 
Well then why are you disputing that the players' page is the most official?

Because you can't say it's the most official.

Who's BDash?  Does he have vids?  If he has vids to prove his skill level then I'll trust him.  Btw does anyone know what codec I need to watch that MMF vid?  It doesn't play for me.  And Former Member has vid proof of his times and the times are in the database, so it's like he's registered.

He's posted on this site and he has many impressive scores.
Hypothetically I could just compile Japanese videos, register as an impersonator, submit the times, then admit I'm a fake. The system is flawed.

I didn't say it's the official site.  I said it's the most official site, as in more official than any others.

What gives you the authority to even say it's the most official site?

Why waste our time creating a new site?  We already have an international rankings site, this one.

It's not an international site if you don't include Japan, who clearly beats some of the times.

As someone said earlier, we can't just add their times without their permission.  Some people don't want their times on this site.

Ok, but that still doesn't address why we shouldn't change the records to "site records." Ever stop and think that the policies here are the reason why those people have decided to leave?

And I already said I respect the Japanese so if you can't deal with that then fuck you.  I don't wanna deal with people who tell me who I respect and who I don't.  It seems you just like pissing people off.

Learn to cooperate with popular majority and then I'll stop pissing you off. I will continue to piss you off unless there are reasonable changes here. This community's policies are the reason it's inferior to the other major ones out there, and this is the only one with significant disputes. People here don't get along, and that's because of the stubbornness of the elites. The fact that other communities are so much calmer and respectable should give you a hint.
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Reply #118 - 04/04/06 at 19:46:17
 
If you go to the WR page, it says "WRs (based on site charts)" and always has, I have no problem with this statement.
There is definately nothing wrong with that, but then why is there something wrong with calling it "site records"? Why not fix the flawed system by changing such a simple thing?

People claiming to have world records should use a common language, like english, and search for a world record listing online...


That discriminates against the people who can't speak english. It's perfectly fine to exclude people who don't register as long as the scores aren't called world records.
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Reply #119 - 04/04/06 at 19:48:06
 
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 19:41:40:
Why waste our time creating a new site?  We already have an international rankings site, this one.
It's not an international site if you don't include Japan, who clearly beats some of the times.


We do include Japan.  I dont have time to actively recruit Japanese players, or anyone else for that matter.  If any of you do, be my guest.
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Reply #120 - 04/04/06 at 19:50:39
 
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 19:28:19:
true that is one of the flaws in the system

Yes, exactly. The system is flawed, therefore it needs to be changed. Calling the records "site records" instead of WRs would solve the problem. Then there would be a reason to disregard Japanese scores.


how would this solve the problem of ppl submitting false times and stuff like the Hab Incident from occuring? and if you have any better suggestions for a proof system please inform us... im sure the admin would be very interested in a better system if one existed
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Reply #121 - 04/04/06 at 19:51:05
 
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 19:46:17:
If you go to the WR page, it says "WRs (based on site charts)" and always has, I have no problem with this statement.
There is definately nothing wrong with that, but then why is there something wrong with calling it "site records"? Why not fix the flawed system by changing such a simple thing?

People claiming to have world records should use a common language, like english, and search for a world record listing online...


That discriminates against the people who can't speak english. It's perfectly fine to exclude people who don't register as long as the scores aren't called world records.


I dont see the problem with saying "WRs (based on site charts)" on the site most easily understood and reachable by a majority of the world.  The site discriminates againt people who are illiterate too.  It would be nice if we had a way to recruit Japanese players but I do not have time to do so and I welcome anyone who makes such an effort.
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Reply #122 - 04/04/06 at 19:58:19
 
Because you can't say it's the most official.

Why not?  You haven't come up with any counterexamples.  And before you try saying that there might be some site we don't know about that's more official, being well known is one of the requirements for being official.

He's posted on this site and he has many impressive scores.

Well to get back to your original question, "So I suppose BDash has no credibility?", does he have any vids or not?  Just saying he posted here and has impressive scores doesn't tell me anything about his credibility.

What gives you the authority to even say it's the most official site?

As I already said, it's well known, more experience, and better proof.  Until you find a counterexample, it's silly to just assume there are other sites just as official.

It's not an international site if you don't include Japan, who clearly beats some of the times.

It does include Japan.  No one's stopping them from joining.  We even have a Japanese join page.

Ok, but that still doesn't address why we shouldn't change the records to "site records." Ever stop and think that the policies here are the reason why those people have decided to leave?

Same reason Guiness doesn't call them book records.  If they don't submit then that's their problem.  Also as Sully said, the "based on site charts" on the WR page eliminates the ambiguity so you can't say we're misleading anyone by not including times from other sites.

Learn to cooperate with popular majority and then I'll stop pissing you off. I will continue to piss you off unless there are reasonable changes here. This community's policies are the reason it's inferior to the other major ones out there, and this is the only one with significant disputes. People here don't get along, and that's because of the stubbornness of the elites. The fact that other communities are so much calmer and respectable should give you a hint.

What popular majority?  You and your group of 3 friends?  Lots of people are happy with the way this site is run and get along, it's just a small group of people that causes problems.
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Re: Japanese Records
Reply #123 - 04/04/06 at 20:06:23
 
Since people are talking about video proof for WR's, I thought that I should make some effort to make my WR replays more available and build up my own credibility in the mkds community.  Smiley

I made some replays of my WR times for Luigi Circuit GCN about a week ago Fried.

I noticed http://www.thengamer.com/MKDS/ does not have replays of this particular track at all, so I was wondering if it would not be too much trouble to add these particular videos.

http://s46.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=18DKHB83J4U113MA09G8PQTTYB    flap - 24.945

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1H05614046EXO3180Y9DDE1OX4    3lap - 1:15.716

The videos are in focus and it is easy to read the splits and total lap time.

I hope you consider adding these to the already great videos that people have submitted to thengamer.

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Reply #124 - 04/04/06 at 20:16:34
 
Nathan Cromwell wrote on 04/04/06 at 19:50:39:
Nintendude1189 wrote on 04/04/06 at 19:28:19:
true that is one of the flaws in the system

Yes, exactly. The system is flawed, therefore it needs to be changed. Calling the records "site records" instead of WRs would solve the problem. Then there would be a reason to disregard Japanese scores.


how would this solve the problem of ppl submitting false times and stuff like the Hab Incident from occuring? and if you have any better suggestions for a proof system please inform us... im sure the admin would be very interested in a better system if one existed


The scores were real, just not his. If we are going to call the records here world records then it should be acceptable to submit other people's times for the record list.

I dont see the problem with saying "WRs (based on site charts)" on the site most easily understood and reachable by a majority of the world.  The site discriminates againt people who are illiterate too.  It would be nice if we had a way to recruit Japanese players but I do not have time to do so and I welcome anyone who makes such an effort.

I'm not saying there's a problem, but more can be done. Besides, that statement is contradictory when you think about it. It acknowledges that the records may infact not be world records.

Why not?  You haven't come up with any counterexamples.  And before you try saying that there might be some site we don't know about that's more official, being well known is one of the requirements for being official.

There's no hard proof for either argument. For all we know the Japanese site may be larger than this one. No community should declare superiority over another.

Well to get back to your original question, "So I suppose BDash has no credibility?", does he have any vids or not?  Just saying he posted here and has impressive scores doesn't tell me anything about his credibility.

No vids, but pics and strats. Sounds very credibible, even without the vids.

Also as Sully said, the "based on site charts" on the WR page eliminates the ambiguity so you can't say we're misleading anyone by not including times from other sites.


Yes, so why not complete the clarification by changing it to site records and not world records? Why are you letting your irrational conservatism prevent such a simple change? What harm could it possibly cause?

What popular majority?  You and your group of 3 friends?  Lots of people are happy with the way this site is run and get along, it's just a small group of people that causes problems.

The MK world isn't contained in this little bubble you call the most official site. Not only are there a decent amount of people here who support my argument, but tons from large communities such as GameFAQs, Nintendo (yes, I'm aware most there are imbeciles), cyberscore, the SSBM community, and various other places.

I'm off to bed, goodnight.
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