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A TAS run?
02/15/06 at 16:22:29
 
well after a long time of thinking ive decided to make a TAS run of this game, just to see how much i can beat every world record by, before i begin creating this run i will need vids of all the tracks in this game because its been such a long time since ive played this game because this game was stolen from me about 2 years ago one track im really looking forward to TAS is sky garden as its my favourite stage and i already have the DS world records for SG

i plan to only TAS the Super Circuit tracks in Time trial mode because im not going to bother going through 150cc mode to unlock the snes tracks so anyone wanna make an opinion before i decide to TAS this game?
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Reply #1 - 02/16/06 at 01:26:18
 
Well, at First you have to decide how to play the game.
Mainly three ways are known:
1) Using all glitches
2) Not using any glitches
3) Not using any glitches but using ticking (is a sort of glitch)

the first one is a bad way to play.... in SG you had to run around the finish line and you can finish 3 lap in ten seconds...
see http://neka.sakura.ne.jp/clip2.mpg

Not using any glitches is a good way to play.
The main problem is that not all people  (no japanese, for example) play in such way.
So you can't know which is really the WR and it's difficult to find vids.
Try to refer to Kartseven for that (sorry, i can't find his site now)

"Not using any glitches but using ticking" is the way i like to play the game.
I you dont know how ticking is done, just read here
http://mariokart.planets.gamespy.com/mksc/advancedstrategy.html

Note that some tracks are glitch free (e.g. PC, BC1 and many others), and one track is glitch and ticking free: RR



Edit:
btw, which program do you plan to use?
I'm not sure that slowmotion is available in any GBA emulators, so you could take advantage only by using savestates.
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Reply #2 - 02/16/06 at 02:08:48
 
Peronally, I would like to you use whatever glitches available.
I feel a TAS is suitable for this kind of perfection. Playing it to achieve the times many of us strive to accomplish in TT feels a bit mundane and redundant for being a TAS, in my opinion. I'd rather see you totally abuse the consistency and accuracy the emulators should rather effortlessly lend to your playing as you destroy the game, and show just about how full of glitches and shortcuts it is. (There are quie a few, all of which would be interesting to see demonstrated after one another.)
I prefer TASs that are spectacular demonstrations, both in that they are entertaining to watch and in that they showcase what no one would ever be able to do. In the case of SCs they might not always go hand-in-hand, but I would be excited to see the total times, and then just for kicks compare them to the CPU presets. (I know they are intended as a form of inspiration rather than a hint of what's possible, but still.)

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Reply #3 - 02/16/06 at 02:19:28
 
Another thing I'm sure many would appreciate for a TAS is a run-through that obtains a full set of *** rankings.
There are topics everywhere about achieving all *** rankings, and it would be worth a lot (to me at least) to be able to point them towards the type of driving that would if not be required (as it would be difficult to make on that barely achieves it to show a minimum of what needs to be done)  then one would definitely guarantee a *** ranking. ("If you drive this well, *** should be a given.")

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Reply #4 - 02/16/06 at 10:23:34
 
btw, which program do you plan to use?
I'm not sure that slowmotion is available in any GBA emulators, so you could take advantage only by using savestates.


There's a version of VBA edited by Nitsuja with all the tools needed to make a TAS.  There's a link to it on the nesvideos forum.
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Reply #5 - 02/16/06 at 11:06:32
 
There are already alot of TAS videos done by japanese players. try to beat them.
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Reply #6 - 02/16/06 at 11:20:15
 
yaz wrote on 02/16/06 at 11:06:32:
There are already alot of TAS videos done by japanese players. try to beat them.


Are they online?  If so, can you post a link to them?
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Reply #7 - 02/16/06 at 13:33:50
 
Ask Termopilucco, i think he knows.
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Reply #8 - 02/16/06 at 15:22:33
 
Yazzo is talking about Hirano/BlastHornet/Mander (it's the same guy) videos.
They are controversial, just search the topics regarding Hirano in this board.
Some of them are faster than the accepted (by japaneses too) WR (e.g. Peach Circuit).
Some other are slower than the WR because new strat are discovered (e.g. BC2).
He drives both SC and non SC (i mean with lap/lakitu glitches and w/o glitches) and he plays using ticking where is needed.
No fast lap is played by him.
You can see some fast lap video (real not TAS) on Kartseven site
http://kartseven.free.fr/videosmksc.html

and on mine
http://www.unbelsito.com/index.htm


I will upload the Hirano file this night (it takes a lot of time to upload such big file).
It's an archive of over 337Mb (i'd like that someone host it, because is too big for my cheap domain).
They are good videos because the image quality and because you can see many strats (both SC and non SC).

I will edit this post when the file will be ready to download.


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Upload done:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/j0zi4m

Note: "The file will be available for a limited time only"
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Reply #9 - 02/16/06 at 15:37:59
 
well im going perfection to complete every stage as fast as possible in time trial mode so ill probably use the finish line glitches and complete every stage very quickly but if i have the motivation ill make anoter TAS one with alot of ticking as soon as i see all the vids possible i can ill work out a plan and see where i can make good imrovements on already WRs then ill begin creating the run
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Reply #10 - 02/18/06 at 11:42:21
 
sometimes, you have to do each course for hours just to get a good time, and nothing says your TAS run will be better than a real run.  you have to be good enough to know what makes a fast corner and boost.
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Reply #11 - 02/18/06 at 12:07:54
 
The main difficulty of a TAS run in MKSC will be the timing for the MT.
But, since he can slowdown the game he can easily look the timer  Wink

Edit:
I just did some test and it's very hard to do many things in the right way...
1) ticking is easy, but powersliding is hard.
2) playing slower i can't manage the MT on the first corner cut in PC... in real time my hand know what to do.
3) i tried some SSMT playing at 5% and other speed but still can't do.
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Reply #12 - 02/18/06 at 14:57:34
 
duffjr wrote on 02/18/06 at 11:42:21:
sometimes, you have to do each course for hours just to get a good time, and nothing says your TAS run will be better than a real run.  you have to be good enough to know what makes a fast corner and boost.


This is the reasoning behind my support for a SC/glitch run.

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Reply #13 - 03/04/06 at 04:47:04
 
Lol, i spent two hours for making that:
http://www.termopilucco.com/mksc/tas/MKSC_TAS_PC.avi
15"55, 13"18, 12"43 = 41"16

It's a TAS of the  'quickrun' mode on Peach Circuit (i.e. with 7 cpu challengers).
I get two mushroom per lap but the bonus box positions are not good for the best 2 shroomer strat.
The first lap it's a shame, you will see it... i was not used to turn playing so slow


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Reply #14 - 03/04/06 at 06:42:39
 
Nice work,  Luca!

11 seconds is a hefty margin on PC. I wonder how much it would amount to on RiRo, BP and RaRo, for instance.  Cheesy

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