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What counts as a shortcut?
11/12/05 at 13:36:36
 
in Rainbow Road, where you jump off bumpers, is that a shortcut?

How bout jumping past the U turn in Sky Garden?

O yeah, and what is this trick that people are talking about?
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Reply #1 - 11/13/05 at 03:49:19
 
Bumpers aren't a trick as they are obviously there to SC and also technically because you dont jump over any fixed walls.

Jumping past the U-turn on the new site will be allowed as to me its making good use of the bumper and shroom. Although this does contradict with the second point above about clearing walls.
However, i think with the choco island 2 shroom bouncing (like in boo) you kinda clear the last wall.

And tricking has been shown, mentioned and dicussed a hundred times before on other threads.

Hmm.. might be time to get some sticky threads on this board!
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Reply #2 - 11/13/05 at 05:53:40
 
Here's a how I feel about CI1/CI2. They should stay Non-SC since shrooming the added bumper in DP3 is considered Non-SC. I don't know if you were actually making arguments about the two courses, or whether you just wanted to illustrate the similarity.

I also feel that YD is too boring without skipping something, since there are bumpers everywhere, but it still should be considered a shortcut to shroom over a wall.

Is going backwards on BP considered SC to you?

I'm not very informed here, but isn't impossible to skip the U-turn in Sky Garden without tricking?

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Reply #3 - 11/14/05 at 04:40:11
 
BP should/will be allowed
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Reply #4 - 11/14/05 at 09:31:52
 
No its not impossible. The wall is slightly to the left of the air gap you jump over.
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Reply #5 - 11/16/05 at 02:29:56
 
Actually, good luck getting there with tricking.
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Reply #6 - 11/16/05 at 02:55:56
 
Mike: Archi had a 51:something video with this approach. This is where I first saw it used. He didn't use a possible similar cut to the final straight, but the method involves tricking off the vine before the bumper, and manually jumping over the gap after you've landed back on the road.

Termo has a better video on his site, I believe.

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Re: What counts as a shortcut?
Reply #7 - 11/16/05 at 04:27:42
 
You were telling about Broken Pier ? I did 0'47"78 without ticking.

About going backwards at BP, I think it'd be SC. Tongue
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Reply #8 - 11/16/05 at 04:46:23
 
This is what I asked Tom about, and he said it would be allowed. I won't object. The fastest SC method is so very much SC, and this method perhaps isn't so much SC as it is basically clever use of the bumpers and open track.

Under a similar heading, I guess the SG SC involving the bumper could be Non-SC as well. I wouldn't have a problem with that, since it's the same situation there. I know I wouldn't be able to pull it off, though.

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Reply #9 - 11/16/05 at 05:53:33
 
Jumping on bars and cutting the track is an obvious strat and should no considered SC, since even a newbie do it in a lot of circuit.
My opinion is that a SC involves Lakitu or a glitch like turning around the start line or getting a lap count in some other way.

As for SG, the jump is a big time saving but it's not a glitch, it's only a standard very long jump.
The real problem with SG "SC" is that is so hard that can be performed only by luck (that's my case Roll Eyes ) or by a superplayer.
In case of luck it's a bit unfair to give a WR for simply be lucky, but maybe this is a problem related at any game/sport.


Moreover I dont intend try the SG "SC" again, and the only time i got, i taked, after landing, the wrong way...
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Reply #10 - 11/17/05 at 10:02:53
 
ok well i just got the game 3 days ago so I don't really know where the shortcuts are.
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Reply #11 - 11/18/05 at 01:41:07
 
termoPilucco wrote on 11/16/05 at 05:53:33:
Moreover I dont intend try the SG "SC" again, and the only time i got, i taked, after landing, the wrong way...


Heh... I only ever hit that once, and the same thing happened to me. I couldn't believe my luck in just hitting it, so my mind didn't register for me to turn left quickly enough. I never hit it again. Sad
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Reply #12 - 11/18/05 at 08:38:15
 
i think skygarden should be SC because of what you said.  if every decent player could do the trick, then it could be allowed.  it just cuts too much of the course.  i don't know what the rules are for each track, but maybe you could have alternative times without shrooms (and SCs) unless you still think it is fun this way.
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