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11/03/05 at 06:20:29
 
I'm going to work on the best flap strats tonight.

As stated in the other thread i'll be doing them 1st lap as i've alot to get through, then i'll post each one in here with some guesstimates for god/legend standards.

We'll see how it goes, but if anyone has pictures of each of the courses, we could draw in paint where to shroom etc.
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Reply #1 - 11/03/05 at 06:31:15
 
Just so I know, this is for non-tricking, right?

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Reply #2 - 11/03/05 at 06:40:56
 
Yes... non ticking and non SC, but free MT'ing.

The maps of every track (they are cool!)
http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/GBA/index.htm#MarioKartSuperCircuit

I did some experiments on PC, BC1 and MC1 flaps, this night i'll try MC too.
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Reply #4 - 11/03/05 at 11:57:03
 
Thats perfect in terms of what we need as a community! I have just downloaded all of the track maps and saved them ready to do what you've done as i go along.

However.. some of yours.. ??

BC1? you shroom over the humps?

MC1.. interesting but weird shroom strat for flap, i boost first corner.. then shroom to the first corner, shroom ont he corner to the next corner, hope into the sand and then the normal shroom to the line.. surely thats quicker.. (although you've got a much better time than me with tricking etc! Wink)

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Reply #5 - 11/03/05 at 12:09:36
 
My flap strats are only guess... i'm pretty sure on PC and MC.
On BC1 and MC1 i did only few tests.
On BC1 i think the shroomspot beyond the humps is mandatory, because you cannot cut any part of the track, so the best shroomspot is in the longest straight part.
Obviously you have to jump all the humps during the shroom, but that is easier to do than to say.

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The icons for shroomspot, acceleration platform and MT are here, if anyone want to use it:
http://www.termopilucco.com/mksc/nontick/strats/icons.gif
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Reply #6 - 11/03/05 at 23:39:32
 
I love Wario icons !! Grin Grin Grin

Good job btw for these 4 circuits. I agree with your shroomspots... About BC1 I think it's better to use this 2nd shroom over the bumps. I thought about a shroom after the big 1st corner, but it's difficult after to take correctly the next corner...
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Reply #7 - 11/04/05 at 05:11:05
 
Its surely faster after the first big corner?

Luca, i'm going to add the picture files to the mksc yahoo groups files page. I'm also going to make that only for time submissions etc.

Alex Penev has been doing loads of work for me behind the scenes. If any of you know him or want to say a big thankyou for his help so far i'm sure he'll appreciate it!

I'll work on diagramming more of the flap shroom spots etc
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Reply #8 - 11/04/05 at 05:51:46
 
Thanks to Alex Penev for his work!
And thanks to you too for really wanting re-doing the site!


Flap strats will likely change in the future (i tried them for the first time).
The most important thing is to have a starting point.


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Reply #9 - 11/04/05 at 06:22:43
 
Nice maps! I like the icons. Maybe shrooms could have a different line colour, so that we see when they wear off, but it's not all that necessary since we know when to activate them.

Luca, if it's not too much trouble, could you post the best times you get with these strats? (And also what character you used. That would be useful. It might help modification, if people posted their best times with the same character using different strategies/variations.

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Reply #10 - 11/04/05 at 09:54:40
 
All the fast lap tests are done with Bowser:

PC: 14,32
BC1: 13,15 (i dont remember if i've tried to max out it)
MC: 16,66
MC1: 7,68 (room for improvement i guess/hope)

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Reply #11 - 03/19/06 at 08:31:25
 
I've just changed mind on PC fast lap strat.
Here my new guess:
http://www.termopilucco.com/mksc/nontick/strats/pc_Fl_2.jpg
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Reply #12 - 03/27/06 at 12:54:48
 
SG flap.. (im a mksc noob :x)

Shroom over the first big jump (first turn), then MT around the corner, do the jump-cut next assuming it's legal, then take the hair pin turn, mt on the clouds then shroom on the last straitway

It's possible, I got a 19''43 with this (except I didnt mt on the clouds, my shroom lost time too - at an angle).
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Reply #13 - 03/27/06 at 12:57:09
 
i got 19"75 2 shroom on a shitty lap... you can get like 15 or better i think
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Reply #14 - 03/27/06 at 13:04:28
 
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Reply #15 - 03/27/06 at 13:33:03
 
i know a lot of SC on SG.
I used two SCs in this video (16"50 first lap, first try  Tongue):
http://www.termopilucco.com/mksc/nontick/vids/mksc_nt_sg_fl.avi
Third shroom is wrong, maybe you have to do it on the left of the final path or maybe at the start of the lap (try to cut some road).
I'm not sure both the SCs i used are allowed.

Edit: a better use of the third shroom (15"71, second lap):
http://www.termopilucco.com/mksc/nontick/vids/mksc_nt_sg_fl2.avi
Do not laugh for the first section, i've made the video the first time i got the 3 SC's in a row Tongue

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the real big SC of SG that make every player crazy (this is my old and only one 'successful' attempt after 2 hour of tries):
http://www.termopilucco.com/mksc/nontick/vids/SkyCircuit_badSc.avi

The last big SC it's not forbidden by the track rules, but a general rule say that major SC's are not allowed.
So i dont know really...

edit: the old GBA SP video output is way better than the DS one for my old videocamera...

edit2: first SG video replaced with a faster one (14"84) and second SG video deleted

edit3: first SG video replaced with a faster one (13"63)
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Reply #16 - 03/27/06 at 13:59:54
 
that 15"71 run is way better then my strat Tongue
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Reply #17 - 03/28/06 at 12:41:15
 
16''53 after a few tries i cant get the second shroom well

edit: 16''20, right after rocket boost, shroom, and cut off a bit of ground on that turn.
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Reply #18 - 03/31/06 at 21:48:34
 
um, where you just go through grass with no shroom do you hop it or just drive throught it or what?

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Reply #19 - 03/31/06 at 22:39:58
 
Slider FTW wrote on 03/31/06 at 21:48:34:
um, where you just go through grass with no shroom do you hop it or just drive throught it or what?


you boost through the grass
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Reply #20 - 04/01/06 at 04:52:00
 
I tried for about 15 or so minutes and got a 15" 06 SG F-lap. (1st, Peach)

Use the first shroom like Luca does in his 15" 71 vid.
2nd at the 3-lap spot.
Last to the right after the hairpin. Jump-slide to land on the final straight.

Unless this is considered SC, it should be faster.

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Reply #21 - 04/01/06 at 08:49:50
 
gah, 16''08

can you make a vid andreas?
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Reply #22 - 04/01/06 at 13:12:01
 
Sorry, I don't have the means to record and capture, but I'll attempt a better explanation for the final shroom.

Start curving around the hairpin, but don't go all the way around it.
Stand so you can see the final straight. Imagine yourself trying to land somewhere before [to the right of] the bumper on the final straight. Start a slide, shroom and manually hop the gap. You can shroom fairly close to easier make it over, but be careful not to fall off the track upon making it across.

My time is by no means optimised, but the best of a handful of completed laps. (Within those 15 minutes.)
This strategy has been used for a long time, and is not my discovery.

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Reply #23 - 04/04/06 at 04:46:30
 
I also find you BC1 1-lap a little strange. If you aren't using a shroom after the first corner, then could you not get a blue boost there instead?

The way I do it is to boost round the first corner, then boost over the little jumps, and then boost to the finish. I can't get the blue boost just before the lava so I think this is where I am losing the most time. I am on 13"58 at the moment, and I think that's about the best I can do for now. BC1 is definately one of my worst tracks. Too much high powered precision.
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Reply #24 - 04/04/06 at 05:01:36
 
Mark Turner wrote on 04/04/06 at 04:46:30:
I also find you BC1 1-lap a little strange. If you aren't using a shroom after the first corner, then could you not get a blue boost there instead?


Right, I forgotten it!
You can get blue boost either in the straight after the first turn either countersteering in the first turn

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