sorry i post this on the MK64 board but so many MK64 people are talking about this proof shit lately so i thought this is a good place to drop some lines

Vince and I were talking about aztec.
i said i wasnt bothered.
I shall tell u the reason i quit playing goldeneye and its interest:

In the beginning it was all great doing speedruns in goldeneye.because there was a lot of skill involved in doing things quickly and shooting well too.
Later people started running through each level also 00agent.then the luck factor came into the game.
a few months later it got extreme and the luck factor exploded.doesnt matter if ure good or bad u just have to get a lucky run 1 in every hour.
that was the moment i really lost interest in the game.
shooting became almost irrelevant u were just hoping u got a run where the enemies all act dumb for some reason and dont shoot u to pieces  

at that moment i was still active although i sometimes played a lucky level and got a PR after 2 hours attempting. then I found a theory on Aztec and brought it forward. i got into depth on how enemies react on when u shoot at them etc.
tricks came out and the fantasy of an enemy opening that door for u became realism.
I found some more tricks later to do it the fastest way.

but the fact that its a chance of 1 out of 1000 (withy my method it is) the guy opens the door for me got me pissed but i kept trying.
I had 2 session of 5 hours playing and then i got my time   I realize too many levels were involved with extreme luck factor and
thats the reason i quit playing goldeneye.

The Aztec strategy:
VInce and I were talking about it and he talked me into watching the vid of Aztec agent 1:36.
So I did and to my utter surprise u guys have the strat all wrong  
You are luring the wrong guy  
u have to lure the one that is standing next to the gate that is opening and closing not the one in the back.
when u lure him closing the gate right after that he should be slow and open it some later.
at that time u are already standing next to the glass that has to open. SHoot some bullets now and hide in the place behind the wall near the mainframe.
Now he has to open the door for you.
chances are so small he is doing that because sometimes he even comes running straight to you  8)
but it is possible after u have tried 10 hours u know it is  

obiously this method is much faster than the method that is used to get the 1´35  ''WR''  

I hope this clears things up a bit  
there is another trick that saves some seconds that i dont see is done in the aztec 1´36 vid but that will come later

enough for now.
Im off.

Steven Zwartjes

No hard feelings SZ, but I gotta defend GE speedrunning and get to the bottom of your supposed guard behind MF guard luring strategy.  

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There STILL is a lot of skill in doing things quickly/good shooting today, way more now than back then.  Strafing must be near perfect aswell for many of the WRs.

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There is some luck in getting boosts/waiting for grenade pulls/not dying, but there are ways to reduce luck.  It isn't as extreme as you make it out to be.  You can't get more than maybe a few of the current WRs without being very good at GE.  You should have Surface 1 A 1:03 (or 1:04 PAL WR) if you want to play something with basically zero luck at all.  We are more patient I guess.  

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What about cameras as well as Aztec beginning/parts of Caverns?  Also play some LTK/DLTK if you want to have shooting so much more important.

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If that 1 guard luring method could work in 2 sessions of 5 hours, a ton of us would have pulled it off by now... 10 hours is nothing these days.  Is your "time" the 1:31?  What about 2:03 and just not bothering with SA?

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Just successfully "hiding" from him takes a lot of work aswell as doing the beginning cleanly as would be needed for 1:31.  Now, did you shoot near the guard when he was standing near the glass door or did he supposedly open it right away without you doing anything?  There's a big difference between those 2 situations.  When did you pause for obj A (insterting disk)?  I'd just like to know that aswell as some details of what you do througout the whole level to get 1:31.  The Elite would greatly appreciate a very detailed written strategy or video proof of this strat.  Plus you could say the "I told you so" type thing to the whole Elite and always be know for this strat, making my multi-guard luring strat obsolete in the process.

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Not much is clear when there isn't a video of this being pulled off.  How much faster is it than the 1:35 way?  What is "another trick"?  Anyways, that 1:36 vid isn't even the strat we use now.  That's my old method.  We might be able to pull about 1:31 at best with the multi-guard luring method, but probably not better.  Don't be surprised if other top GE players post under me.  

Stalkers!

Let's bear in mind that the WR when Steven "got" 1:31 was 1:40.  This was before any of the tricks were found that have allowed people to knock a few seconds off their times, see http://www.the-elite.net/GE/stage19.htm

So, you wouldn't know any of these tricks that would knock off a few seconds, since it was before they were invented.  You claim to lure the closer guard, though you don't give any other description of your strat (you played for 10 hours, you can't possibly say "I forgot").  So, we must assume that you did as the WR at the time was done, which was 1:40, so you are claiming that luring the closer guard saves 9 seconds.  I think anyone that has ever played this level would attest that this claim is absurd, and that, at best, it would probably save about half that time.  Need proof?  Watch Wouter's 1:40 (the original, without any of the newer tricks) and try to cut 9 seconds off of it just by your method.

All you have to do is say that it takes 10 hours/1000 tries or whatever to get it to work to try to lie your way out of it again, thinking that people will just believe you based on your "reputation" even though you have none in GE right now, and I don't see that ever changing.  If you have such a great gaming reputation, you must be good, right?  If you're good, you must realize that people WANT to see your times/strats in action, and taping should not even be an issue with a high level player like yourself.  


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Pobre:  No clue what you mean...  

There are always Eliters checking the Kart boards...  especially now, given how Come, Shade, octoinky, and maybe a couple others are actively PRing.  Us noticing a big topic like this shouldn't come as anything like a surprise.

I'll just say that Zwartjes isn't doing himself much good by revealing his strat (sort of), yet still hiding a "another trick" for later.  If he's finally coming out with this, he should do so with either a complete, detailed strat, or a video of how the method is done.

pah

If he had the time to write all of that he should've just written the "extra strat" instead of the long post.

Which guard do you get AR33 from in first room?  It sounds like to me you get the gun AFTER opening the door.  It seems like that loses time to me compared to just getting the gun then opening the door as the nearest gun is a good ways away.  Wouldn't you get raped a lot doing that too?  I assume you kill the guard straight ahead there while luring the 2 guards on the side in 2nd room.  It sounds like our strat for black room I guess.  Where exactly do you stand next to glass door?  I'll just assume you get disk out after you go back near the MF before guard opens glass door.  I would think position is very important.  Anyways, I'm sure some people will give this a try.  If it only takes 10 hours to do it's worth a shot.  Thanks for a little bit more detail.