I know
I just typed it wrong  

Edited now  

Why did you change VL2 flap too though?
I thought that was ok as it was, Sami's lap really is something special so might be a bit harsh to set as GOD standard  

Perhaps 9"55 or 53 as GOD would be better, not changing at all could be ok too

Good work Simon  I like the changes you've made. For KB1 5-lap, how would you feel about a 48"48 GOD time?

I'd be ok with setting the VL2 F-lap GOD time back to 9"49, Karel.  

Chris, I guess that either 48"65 or 48"48 (or 48"49) would be reasonable for KB1, that is for a GOD time that's just moderately difficult, and not one that symbolizes an ultimate achievement, like Karel said. I can say for myself, that even an ideal 5-lap race on KB1 would not necessarily results into a 5-lap time faster than 48"65 anyway, and it is unlikely that I have been even once on a sub 48"50 pace (though there is absolutely no doubt that you've driven many more fast middle laps than I have  )

I think I'll give the standards change altogether an additional week of reflection, or 2-4 more days at least, as tomorrow promises to be a very busy day. I've purposely kept myself away from the computer and kart concerns for a great part of this week, and consequently I'll have to catch up a bit tomorrow in order to update the top times lists and also prepare the Non-NBT update.

Meanwhile, we could meditate a little more on the suggested VL2 and KB1 GOD 5-laps in PAL. This goes for VL2 especially, where I suppose few of us expected the island jump to become humanly doable on nearly every lap of a race. But now that we're on the verge of a 5/5 WR, we may as well choose a GOD time that behaves accordingly, such as 49"99 maybe?   As for KB1, this would go in the same vein as in NTSC, where visibly the GOD time is going to represent a race with 5 fairly solid laps. I reckon that middle laps below 10 seconds were common play in the midst of WR attempts in PAL; for this reason, could a 5-lap GOD time lower in the 50 seconds better suit the track's personality?

Thanks for feedback.

Alright, we can keep 48"65 for KB1 if you like. I admit I had forgot that these initial GOD times are intended to be moderately difficult and not one that symbolizes an ultimate achievement
I'm not sure myself if I've ever been on a sub 48"50 pace, but after seeing the mistakes in my current PR I tended to feel that associating a GOD time with it might be a bit inappropriate (but once again, I'm not taking into consideration that these initial GOD times are intended to be moderately difficult).
Oh, and the reason I went with 48"48 is because they are the same number

I think you're right Karel. I also remember seeing Jamie's 9"22 as the Non-NBT WR a while ago. If I remember correctly, there was a little debate as to whether or not that crazy island jump that he took in his 9"06 would be considered NBT since a lap like that wouldn't make sense in a 5-lap attempt.

Nice job  Those standards sound good to me, though you sure were harsh on yourself with the Legend A time
Looking forward to seeing all the new standards implemented.

That 9"39 middle lap must've been lucky. I think my second best is 9"46. I kept trying to beat your 9"36 flap but couldn't. Then I kept trying to beat it using NBT but couldn't. Then I kept trying to beat it again using Non-NBT but couldn't (do you see a pattern here? ).

great work simon

i thought about retiring of smk , but maybe i could still try some non nbt sometimes ( and gp150 of course  8))


btw when going to the standards pages, we have to click on "player's list" words  

ps : you forgot my 15"06 at mc2 in top times table

Right....  

I couldn't make sense of it at all, so I thought it was a weird error/mistake!

opinions

I think it'd be a good idea. The lists we have so far in this forum could be added to the top times lists.

Suggestion: I think players who don't have a complete set of Non-NBT times (ie: not 40/40) should still be allowed to join the Non-NBT course top times charts. I'm probably not the first one to think about this, as that's how it works on the MK64 and MKDD site anyway, but given the current situation, I think it just makes more sense to allow players with an incomplete set of Non-NBT times to join the charts for courses that they have driven Non-NBT times on. This would make top 10's in courses like BC1 NTSC, BC3 NTSC, GV3 NTSC, and pretty much every course in NTSC much more representative of the reality, and in addition it could encourage players with a limited amount of Non-NBT times to collect the final ones that remain. The players' list would likely still display players with 40 Non-NBT times only, but their average finish would reflect their actual new rank for every course, inclusive of non-complete Non-NBT players. (or non-exclusive of non-complete Non-NBT players) I could work out every detail that this procedure would require inside the Non-NBT database, which means that all I would need to know for now is if players are up for it?


Regarding the inclusion of GV1 and GV2 charts with non-platform jump times, I reckon it could be a good idea to have those displayed elsewhere than on the Message Board, as long as we ensure that the fact that they appear on the Non-NBT site doesn't mislead new players (as of course, competing on those charts would be purely alternative and for fun purpose). If anyone is willing to maintain those charts though, then I can tell the person how to upload them directly onto the Non-NBT site account, and then finally I could insert links to them somewhere on the Non-NBT site.


Oh, one last thing: Craig, if you're reading this, please check your e-mail inbox as soon as possible. I need to know which of your new times from the last two weeks are Non-NBT. I will update the Non-NBT site later tonight, and I'll be obliged to consider that you have been inactive during those weeks if you don't send a response during the ~5 hours following this post. Thanks.

As far as the Top Times list, I'm all for it, even though I really only have 5 courses in which I don't use any sort of NBT, so it's not like I'll be in a ton of courses but not on the players' list.

I also have a question though.  On the Non-NBT Players' Site, there's a scrollbox for the News Updates, and I wanted to know how to put one of those in onto a webpage.  I'm sorry to get off topic, but I don't want my site to be 5 feet in length someday, and the scrollbox would make it a lot easier to view the mainpage (the only page, actually...).  So if someone knows, could you let me know?