I think he hopped round the left of the lake four laps out of five or something.  It was done before the boost through the lake was discovered.  I never saw a vid though so I'm not sure.

Given the current consensus, I doubt that it is truly necessary that I mention this, but the general Non-NBT rule for CI2 shall remain the same in PAL than it already was for NTSC; that is, using a boost across the lake is allowed, as long as the boost was not obtained from zig-zag powersliding, and the place where you release the boost is not such that it allows you to make it through to the other side of the lake before it wears off. I must admit that I was personally a little surprised by the players' reactions, especially Pierre who seemed to be quite insistent towards his method of full speed recovering from the lake being Non-NBT, and suddenly agreeing with the opposite opinion. I did have a penchant for his point of view myself after having viewed his video, but at the end I have to heartily agree with Matthew's more instinctive outlook on the issue.  

By the way, I should update the Non-NBT rules' page, as well as a few sections of the introduction page when I find some free time soon. Feel free to share any suggestion you may have meanwhile.

I'm sorry Pierre, but changing your opinion because you drove a faster time with another strat is nonsense.

Change the link to the MB to the new one  

I've read it all in its entirety. Well, it's just great.

Actually, the introduction was pretty complicated, or, a little too technical. I can think of a new player who reads that page, and I believe that often they wouldn't get past the introduction. Just a thought, maybe I'm wrong. The rest (historical parts) is really great to read.

Thanks for the comments, guys.   The introduction is the very last part I wrote on that night, so yes, I can understand that it is a little confusing to follow. I should revise it on this week-end, along with other grammatical and spelling mistakes. To other players: have you noticed any inconsistency or lack of accurateness in the historical content? I've written a good part of the pre-Non-NBT site content off the top of my memory, and basically all of the Non-NBT site content by scrolling down the news archives on the site.

Sami, if you're reading this, would it somehow be possible, when corrections are made, to add a link to this page from the introduction page of the players' site? You could maybe write at the same time a paragraph that exposes roughly the existence of two recognized ways of driving within our community (and the fact that the players' site accepts fastest times with no regards to which one of them is used). I really feel that it is important for joining members to have a proper introduction to both the technical and historical aspect of the NBT and Non-NBT differentiation, because unless players do some research and videos watching on their own, it rather seems to be inexistant at the moment. Also, I know I'm not the first person to ask this, but I'll ask it again: Could you give the link to the Non-NBT site a more prominent place on the main page? One of the first things I said, if not the very first, when we pondered on the idea of a separate site for Non-NBT driving, is that I would accept to maintain it if this site and the players' site remained closely interwoven. In spite of this, I have to say, that the place the Non-NBT site link is given at the moment, would rather seem to indicate that it consists of a restricted or an elitist group of SMK players.

Lastly, Alex Penev, if you are not reading this, then I shall remember to send you an e-mail to ask if you would like to work on an automated updating system for the Non-NBT site, such as the one that currently exists for the MKDD site, or the one you are working on to help the MKSC community revive. This is something that we have been for long seeking for, among other reasons because the site does not contain players' profiles currently. I should write further details when I send you an e-mail, or when you respond to this message. (but, unlike omnikarters, I doubt that bikarters check the SMK boards frequently )

It's basically nothing more than a matter of available width for the page. It would be unsufficient to include countries, due to the number of other statistics that are already being displayed. Of course, this is a lame excuse, but I've never felt that country informations were very crucial personally, when you know that this information can be viewed on the players' site. However, I can understand that other people feel differently. In any case, when individual profiles are instituted on the site, then I'll make sure not to leave out the players' location in their personal informations.

Maybe it is impossible, but it would be very nice to put links to all WR-vids available on the WR-page.

I understand what you say Seb, what I meant was that if you click on the WR-time, you'd be linked directly to Chris' site where the vid is.

This has been brought up before, but I would also like to see player profiles on the Non-NBT site. I know Ray Bergstrom's working on making them automated, but I'd be willing to manually make a profile for each player until the automated ones are ready, if that would interest people, and if that's alright with Simon, of course. Though, I'm not sure if I'd be willing to update them every week.

By the way Simon, I like the changes you made to the front page of the site.

Ok, great Nope, I don't mind at all. Before I start, I just have some questions.

- Would you like to see all the available Non-NBT stats inputted into each player's profile?
- Do you want a ranking for each course (5-lap and f-lap) to be added on each player's profile?
- Do you have an idea as to how you want the profiles to look (where should each of the stats be placed, which colours to use, etc.)?
- Would you prefer to see a table with the player's times and stats in the profiles, or is just plain text ok? The reason I ask this is because I don't know html.

I realize these will be temporary profiles, but I don't mind including as much info as possible.
I can upload the pages to my server if that's ok? If mariokart64.com doesn't work out for whatever reason, you're more than welcome to use my server for all of the pages as well (there is more than enough room).

ah cool, would be very cool to hava player profiles  One request, can i have 'President of Awesomeness' after my name in my profile?  

Simon wrote on 12/18/05 at 19:54:33:


alleluyah !!!  
you finally envisage it after ages of tergiversations...