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03/17/05 at 06:42:59
 
Did I spell his name right?  Grin

Anyone here know where I can get a copy of his WR LR vid? And don't say "I'll send it to you on AIM". I only use MSN because literally no one in this country uses AIM.

A link to a site would be ideal.

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Reply #1 - 03/17/05 at 06:49:05
 
lol, nice question. Smiley
Short answer: There is no proof for that time. Smiley
Long answer: <a long ensuing debate about this time that you've inadvertently started up again> Wink
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Reply #3 - 03/17/05 at 07:18:44
 
Right.

I've just read through all of that and I agree with what Pobre said in the thread. All the other top players have to submit proof for WRs so why shouldn't Zwartjes? I think it's absolutely ridiculous that a WR is allowed to be set purely on the grounds of his past history. He didn't even submit it himself FFS!

The whole thing looks like a complete farce. Has someone like MJ actually tried going for this record?
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Reply #4 - 03/17/05 at 07:51:15
 
I think MJ has tried to match Zwartjes splits alright, but has fallen a little short, which means that Zwartjes is still at a higher level than MJ (on that course..and therefore a lot of other courses if he had tried them, which he strangely didn't. Anyone who knows what speed you have to be at to get that time, also knows how simple it would be to transfer that speed elsewhere).
I agree that WRs should be proven, or at the very least, the potential for these WRs (by taping individual laps which show your speed) should be provided. This is just common courtesy and shows respect for the community. This is the way around it should be.  If you don't respect the community enough to provide this, then you shouldn't automatically expect people to respect you back and blindly accept your time. I agree that Steven has a strong history of good MK64 times and has proven himself in the past, but for me personally, he didn't do enough for this time. It's unfortunate that he (lost?) his VCR and had no way of taping, and it's also unfortunate that he cares so little about it that he's been unwilling to prove anything to us.
Having said all that, the time itself is not impossible. I'm a firm believer that one day it will be broken (and probably by MJ), but breaking it should not validate it. Have we seen Gallo's DKJP records reinstated after I broke those? No. Steven is more trustworthy than him, yes, but that doesn't mean he should get a free ride.
This is the last remaining (widely doubted) WR, and I think the community is worse for having it. In the other thread Michael said this:
"The aim of the community is to have fun with time trialing competition, and have rankings with players/times that can be trusted by the rest of the community". The thing is that this time is _not_ trusted by the community and hence generates bad feelings which takes away from the site. I'd like to add, that whereas this site is about having fun, we're also representing ourselves as the authority on MK64 world records, and we have an obligation to ensure a strict proof regimen as far as WRs go. I sincerely hope someone beats this time some day or that Steven proves himself.
I don't want people to read this the wrong way. I'm not calling Steven a liar here, but I am frustrated with both this time and the way he treated the situation. I don't see any reason why Steven would lie about this time, when he hasn't lied before, so I hope this thread doesn't disrespect the person Steven, but more importantly addresses the situation of trust and proof. At the end of the day, even if the time was removed, history has proven that people would still remember it and try to break it, so the time is already immortal. Smiley
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Reply #5 - 03/17/05 at 10:15:31
 
Talking about respecting the community: This post of Zwartjes' some time ago on the MKDD board really pissed me off:

Thnx guys  
the reason im improving that fast is because i really like the game and am willing to search for the perfect techniques to get through each corner.

As I told Paul Tanny (i hope i got his name right) on msn i havent watched any vids yet.
I want to keep my brains young and active so the worst thing i could do now is watch all those WR vids  

I learned from the past,  the best thing to become great at something is to use your own intelligence and imagination the fullest first and not just accepting the WR vids strats. Luigi Raceway is a good example for this
(You'll find this on page 7 on the MKDD board)

That last sentence had a smiley after it!
    Now the implication here of course is that Zwartjes did something extraordinary stratwise in that run. If he did, not telling about it is telling the community he doesn't give a damn about it either way. And if he didn't (which I certainly think is the right alternative), this is just taunting the community Angry.
    I really don't know what to think about this WR. It's just very hard to believe that a respected gamer turns cheater. But Zwartjes didn't do any effort to prove that time, as far as I know - and so I guess it should not be up there as a WR.

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Reply #6 - 03/17/05 at 11:07:38
 
It just so happens that I chatted to him last night on msn for a bit. I didn't go into detail how he got his LR record (it does puzzle me obviously as this WR has been standing for so long and the most dominating people haven't been able to break it yet) because i've never played mk64, but I can tell you he really perfected that course. I don't think he did anything different and I do believe him, he was telling me all kinds of details and such and whole stories how he got it which you would only do if you were proud of your achievement. I mean hey why would you tell a double dasher otherwise Wink

Trust me it's not entirely certain that he'll never play anymore either. On the next dutchies karter meeting me and other dutch karters can check up and see if he can get close if you people would appreciate that.....
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Reply #7 - 03/17/05 at 11:24:26
 
that sounds exactly like the situation about his "WR" on Aztec Agent on GE.
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Reply #8 - 03/17/05 at 11:29:06
 
Hmm I'm getting really urged reading through all this mk64 history to get up there. We were just chatting a bit and he said I could be a legend in a month if I went all-out. I gotta fix this year of school but when the time hits July I'm gonna smash (pobre smash, if you will) most of this communities' times. First goal being Finn, because I like him and he can't improve too much since he has to keep his turtle status.

And ultimate goal Zwartjes LR time. Feel free to call me a complete nutcase but I wanna at least try and see if I can get anywhere close Smiley
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Reply #9 - 03/17/05 at 13:17:29
 
Stratford_Red   wrote on 03/17/05 at 07:18:44:
Right.

I've just read through all of that and I agree with what Pobre said in the thread. All the other top players have to submit proof for WRs so why shouldn't Zwartjes? I think it's absolutely ridiculous that a WR is allowed to be set purely on the grounds of his past history. He didn't even submit it himself FFS!

The whole thing looks like a complete farce. Has someone like MJ actually tried going for this record?

Thats the strongest WR in all history in my opinon. MJ's Hab's and other top players best splits don't match that record. MJ would have to bust his ass off for about 5 months to take that out if you ask me.

It's just like his Aztec time on goldeneye. It was just amazing but he did not have proff so it got removed. I don't think he got that WR.
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Reply #10 - 03/17/05 at 13:25:30
 
20-100   wrote on 03/17/05 at 11:07:38:
It just so happens that I chatted to him last night on msn for a bit. I didn't go into detail how he got his LR record (it does puzzle me obviously as this WR has been standing for so long and the most dominating people haven't been able to break it yet) because i've never played mk64, but I can tell you he really perfected that course. I don't think he did anything different and I do believe him, he was telling me all kinds of details and such and whole stories how he got it which you would only do if you were proud of your achievement. I mean hey why would you tell a double dasher otherwise Wink

Trust me it's not entirely certain that he'll never play anymore either. On the next dutchies karter meeting me and other dutch karters can check up and see if he can get close if you people would appreciate that.....

I'm sorry man. He did the same shit on Aztec course on the  elite.net but see they don't take that type of shits over there so they removed his ass and he pulled the same shit here. Based on his other times and that lr time he does not posses the skill to get that time. You can have my word about this because I've tried and tried and my best splits give something like 1'38'41 and you know me when it comes to splits. i dought that record exsits and this site sould not have to rely on trust because people will take advantigde about that.

I'm  not saying this to gain an extra avg fin point because it wouldent gain me a point because his originall proven time is 1'38'68

which is damned fast

his SSMT are better than Me, MJ and others on that course but seeing that he does the first coner without gliding leads me to beileve there is no way in hell he got that WR.and he sould have it reset to his orginal.
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Reply #11 - 03/17/05 at 13:28:39
 
20-100   wrote on 03/17/05 at 11:29:06:
Hmm I'm getting really urged reading through all this mk64 history to get up there. We were just chatting a bit and he said I could be a legend in a month if I went all-out. I gotta fix this year of school but when the time hits July I'm gonna smash (pobre smash, if you will) most of this communities' times. First goal being Finn, because I like him and he can't improve too much since he has to keep his turtle status.

And ultimate goal Zwartjes LR time. Feel free to call me a complete nutcase but I wanna at least try and see if I can get anywhere close Smiley

Thats crazy talk man. There is no way in hell you will beat that record. It will take you the a skill beyond mj habs and marcy if you will.

@Shade- Was that Aztec time done in secret agent?
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Reply #12 - 03/17/05 at 13:31:14
 
Considering MJ's current WR streak he will have it in about ten minutes.
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Reply #13 - 03/17/05 at 13:31:29
 
20-100   wrote on 03/17/05 at 11:29:06:
he said I could be a legend in a month if I went all-out. I gotta fix this year of school but when the time hits July I'm gonna smash (pobre smash, if you will)  


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Reply #14 - 03/17/05 at 13:33:10
 
20-100   wrote on 03/17/05 at 11:29:06:
Hmm I'm getting really urged reading through all this mk64 history to get up there. We were just chatting a bit and he said I could be a legend in a month if I went all-out. I gotta fix this year of school but when the time hits July I'm gonna smash (pobre smash, if you will) most of this communities' times. First goal being Finn, because I like him and he can't improve too much since he has to keep his turtle status.

And ultimate goal Zwartjes LR time. Feel free to call me a complete nutcase but I wanna at least try and see if I can get anywhere close Smiley


hehe- I guess I'm sort of a sitting duck Wink
    aiming straight for the WR on LR Grin - but hey, you're one of the few people I'm able to take seriously when they say a thing like that.

About Zwartjes; that time certainly isn't impossible. And I want to believe it. But if he is so proud of that achievement, why doesn't he do more to strenghten his credibility? And why does he post a thing like he did on the DD board? Being flippant about that time certainly suits him ill.

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Reply #15 - 03/17/05 at 13:46:50
 
I keep hearing that Zwartjes has a good history of proving his times, but where are all these Zwartjes vids?  I only have just a few vids by him.
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@Jeff : 1:31 on Agent got removed.
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Reply #17 - 03/17/05 at 13:51:26
 
Oh no you guys misunderstood, I'm not thinking I'll get that time over the summer or anything, I personally don't think I have Zwartjes talent and I meant even though I'm aiming for his time it would be a big achievement to get even close after a long year. It's just that this WR is blown up so much and blablabla incredible, well I wanna see for myself because I've never seen anything like that.

Hey let's not get ahead of things, I'll have to organise a karter meeting and a N64 for me first  Smiley

And by most of the communities times I mean top 100, which I really don't think is unreasonable. Legend could be far-fetched, I have no idea how hard that's gonna be, but if Leg F is like double dash Titan D then it's gonna be doable. Do note that when I say all-out I mean maybe 5 or more hours a day, which I've never done in double dash. Only time will tell  Cheesy

@Fried: I guess there've also been karter meetings so at least all of the good dutchies have seen him play multiple times, such as Lars Nouwen.
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Reply #18 - 03/17/05 at 14:01:12
 
Speaking of Lars, what kind of proof has Lars provided?  I'm pretty sure he hasn't put any vids online.  Has he made any vids, and if so, who did he send them to?  Maybe he just had Zwartjes as a witness? Wink

Anyway, did anyone else besides Lars see Zwartjes kart?  Has MJ or Liem seen him kart, and if so, how recently?  What kind of proof has Zwartjes provided proof in other games?
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Reply #19 - 03/17/05 at 14:01:45
 
Patricio   wrote on 03/17/05 at 13:31:14:
Considering MJ's current WR streak he will have it in about ten minutes.

You don't know shit dumbass. I swear on my honor that if MJ takes that wr in ten miniutes ill will remove my times

His best splits are not even the wr so sit down noob you don't know shit bout this game.

And another thing they were saying

these are peferfect splits on lr with a 2-1-0

31'89
32'69
33'49

these are what perfect run would look like

Which is low 1'38

I do go with what they say in that topic
that 1'37 is possible

sure it is
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Reply #20 - 03/17/05 at 14:04:23
 
Shade   wrote on 03/17/05 at 13:49:39:
@Jeff : 1:31 on Agent got removed.

Whats the current WR? It's own by Bryan right?
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Reply #21 - 03/17/05 at 14:06:21
 
If there'll be another Dutchie kart meet up let me know Cheesy

I've met MJ and some other SMK players a few times, and I can say MJ is crazy good at both SMK and MK64.
I can't imagine Zwartjes being much better than that, if at all better, but oh well perhaps if he aimed at one course all the time and/or used another strat I would believe that his LR time is possible.

I also met Lars, and he said he saw Steven drive splits live  that could lead to a time like in the WR that he did.
Tbh. I dont think Lars would lie about such a thing (whats the point, its not even his record?) and Lars also seems like a credible person to me  Smiley
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Reply #22 - 03/17/05 at 14:06:47
 
20-100   wrote on 03/17/05 at 13:51:26:
Oh no you guys misunderstood, I'm not thinking I'll get that time over the summer or anything, I personally don't think I have Zwartjes talent and I meant even though I'm aiming for his time it would be a big achievement to get even close after a long year. It's just that this WR is blown up so much and blablabla incredible, well I wanna see for myself because I've never seen anything like that.

Hey let's not get ahead of things, I'll have to organise a karter meeting and a N64 for me first  Smiley

And by most of the communities times I mean top 100, which I really don't think is unreasonable. Legend could be far-fetched, I have no idea how hard that's gonna be, but if Leg F is like double dash Titan D then it's gonna be doable. Do note that when I say all-out I mean maybe 5 or more hours a day, which I've never done in double dash. Only time will tell  Cheesy

@Fried: I guess there've also been karter meetings so at least all of the good dutchies have seen him play multiple times, such as Lars Nouwen.

Not to mention his time's do show good potential.

This is the only thing I got to back up Swartjes is that he may only get 7 points of me but by looking at those strikes seems I won't be taking them off of him for awhile because there really strong.

I have to go with Fried. Where the hell is all this damn proff Liem is talking about?!

49'28 is his TT lap. MJ might get that in one try but thats still good in my ball park It would take me about 2 kart sessions to take that down.
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Reply #23 - 03/17/05 at 14:09:18
 
Karel   wrote on 03/17/05 at 14:06:21:
If there'll be another Dutchie kart meet up let me know Cheesy

I've met MJ and some other SMK players a few times, and I can say MJ is crazy good at both SMK and MK64.
I can't imagine Zwartjes being better much than that, if at all better, but oh well perhaps if he aimed at one course all the time and/or used another strat I would believe that his LR time is possible.

I also met Lars, and he said he saw Steven drive splits live  that could lead to a time like in the WR that he did.
Tbh. I dont think Lars would lie about such a thing (whats the point, its not even his record?) and Lars also seems like a credible person to me  Smiley

Lars saying that does not help the sitiuation.

The people want some way to trust him and the only way would be to drive atleast lap's withen a 3 distance from any of those laps.

My best first is 59 on the first lap no shrooms and thats flawless for me and he got 55 and followed by a 31'8X which is incredibly strong and to shut the time down with an 32'83 one shroom not to great but about 10 better than my avg.
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Reply #24 - 03/17/05 at 14:10:35
 
Its pretty funny how Zwartjes is submitting mkdd PRs as we speak, he's sure to notice this topic sooner or later, interesting to see what he says.
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