Well Nero got the 120 star WR with a time of 1:42:15 either yesterday or Wednesday.

I motion to bring back Fenner unless myles times are removed.

Entirely agree with the above posts.

Didn’t Fenner cheat in MK games? Contrary to Myles.

Mario, if I hadn't have said it I know you would have  

Actually, even if I didn't follow the Myles case a lot, it's obvious he should be removed as a cheater. ANY proved cheater needs to be removed whoever he is.

Michael F wrote on 03/01/15 at 07:09:49:

This is pretty much my thoughts about this put into words.

The sensible thing to do in a case like this is to test his abilities at kart through live stream or direct karter interaction, but he may not have the skill anymore to pull off similar records to what he has shown on videos,  so there's a chance that it wouldn't help his case anyway.

I'll say though that people that are uncooperative about trust issues should be removed on principle (or at the very least frozen). This is mostly the standard for the kart sites nowadays. So if a status quo remains about his case for a few weeks, maybe action would have to be taken against him

Mick wrote on 03/01/15 at 07:47:41:


Not sure how testing his skills face to face should have any baring. You played all day with Fenner as the site number 1 and saw his skills. He still got turfed.

Myles.. Please post a picture of your ironing board.

It's still pretty hard to believe/explain, but I agree wholly with the last two posters.

I know you still probably played every part of that 16 star run yourself the same way anyone would, but clipping personal best segments and suturing them together substantiates an intent to deceive. Sure you had the skills to do it, but you definitely didn't have the skills to do them consecutively.. which is the only thing that really matters.

Sure it'd be cool to see how quickly one could beat SM64 if they took their best splits from say 10 attempts and spliced them together, just as a fun tool to approximate potential and get practice simultaneously. But the real problem here is the part where it is misrepresented as one uninterrupted playthrough and the uncertainty underlying what else one might be capable of if they have been shown to use that deception for as long as they did and only owing up to it upon being called out irrefutably.

I think myles' submissions should be frozen until he can provide adequate substantiation for his claims.

AlexPenev wrote on 03/08/15 at 17:11:10:


It's hard to say, because I don't know how many splices there were.  If there were 10 segments, and each segment takes 10 attempts on average, then he wouldn't have been skilled enough to do it in 1 segment (with significant probability).  However, if he practiced for a few months, then he would have become more skilled and more consistent, so by the end of those few months he would have been skilled enough.

It really depends on the number and the difficulty of the splices.

In theory I could splice together all my SMK Time Trial PR's and pass the result off as a single segment Time Trial 1-try speedrun. Though I have the skill to pull off all these records, I am damn sure of one thing...I will never be able to  perform those feats in sequence, not even if I tried it for the rest of my life. And (this may be arrogant misassumption) I'm also fairly sure no one else could arrive at such a level.

This is also due to the nature of the game, obviously. Mario Kart Time Trial is a text book example of a continuous performance spectrum (you can always pull a corner 0"005 tighter without crashing, though the risk of doing so will exponentially increase). I have a feeling in Super Mario 64 the possible moves (degrees of freedom) are a little bit more discrete in nature, so that getting your personal bests in sequence consistently would be a little less of a problem. That said, I could definitely be wrong with that statement as I have insufficient knowledge of SM64 at the highest performance levels.

Disclaimer: just to be sure, obviously, I'm not claiming SM64 speedrunners have an easier job than Mario Kart players...I rather think it's the contrary, since the 120 star run is both lengthy and very execution heavy.

Following that logic nothing is really truly continuous, you can always divide things up by the Planck length.

Therefore I know SMK isn't truly continuous, but it is moreso than most games, especially of that era. In fact effectively (for all intends and purposes) we could say that it is continous. I justify that by the mere fact that so few (if any) perfect laps have been driven, despite the relative simplicity (and short length) of some tracks and the fact that some of us have been chipping away at these records for years.

I know of only 1 or 2 WR's that might not be improved upon by TAS (MC1 and BC1 PAL Non-NBT laps), but even in those instances I'd be surprised if that really turned out to be the case upon more extensive testing.

I don't think it was me that stated that about 11"99, though I wouldn't be surprised if a TAS would reach that. Similarly, a TAS could probably still beat the 17"60 on BC1 as well, when a highly 'skilled' TAS-er gives it a sufficient grinding.