Perhaps he feels too guilty and ashamed to face us and doesn't know yet how to go about confronting this issue; you should consider that as a possibility as well.

Robertvz wrote on 02/04/15 at 18:29:58:


Agree, and yes, segmented runs (back when people did those) always involved save+quits, never just splicing together individual video segments.  There's no way he thought that by not labeling it "single-segment" it would somehow legitimize what he did.

For Shock:

Jonesy wrote on 01/17/15 at 07:54:58:

YoshiKarter89 wrote on 02/03/15 at 17:34:17:


Myles has shown at least over time fairly major anxiety (not an abnormal karter trait) so I would've been surprised if he had responded quickly.  With karters, you can't ever assume they're going to do normal behavior when the majority of us are very NOT normal.  (and we overwhelmingly tend to want to pile on people we are accusing which anxiety people avoid like the plague)  Guilty people have all sorts of things here, some will fire back right away with guns ablazing, some slank.  Honest people do those things too.  It's the way they do it not the what they do.  (or how they say it not what they say)  We can't presume guilt from silence from him b/c that's consistent behavior.  (tho the SM evidence appears strong)

You guys ban people b/c they cheated in other communities?  I don't like that policy unless you have some evidence that they cheated here.

Myles has vids of his stuff no?  

We know that myles is a very talented gamer who is at least capable of what he's claimed here so we can't rule out that his MK64 stuff can be legit yet.  We need evidence imo of that stuff being faked and atm, we have none.  

In most places this would all be obvious, in kart tho... we get everybody on all sides of the weirdness ledger.  

Most likely he has faked more than just this, I agree but again, we can't rule out MK64 as being legit as of right now.

this all said, the community of 64 running is doing a pretty good job of catching splicers (goldeneye has this over at the-elite, but there's nuances of the game that can be easy to overlook and get caught by).  OOT/SM seem tougher.  have to do in depth analysis and crap.

There will always be cheaters, it's just how the world works.  Some do it get caught, don't do it again, others are habitual.  Some actually do only do it once, there's such a wide range.

ideally he just lays the truth out there for everything and we discuss it accordingly (since he's very into the god thing, forgiveness, whatever) but that sometimes doesn't happen.

wheatrich wrote on 02/04/15 at 23:35:13:


Not at all the same thing..but nice straw man.  All I'm saying is this community tends to look down upon cheaters..for good reason.  And cheaters tend not to isolate their cheating to one game.  Clearly other people feel similarly or we wouldn't be having this discussion.  I'm not saying we need to ban him from the site or anything absurd like that, we have no reason to do so.  All we have is reason for suspicion.

Leone wrote on 02/05/15 at 02:31:48:


Again, not really the same thing..there's a difference between using hacks and deceiving an entire community into thinking you've done something you haven't..but I'm not going to continue to argue this.  The distinction is pretty clear, I think.

I remember years ago on MSN, Myles chatted up my friends sister. I was jealous as I wanted to bone her, and it seemed like he would make the transatlantic flight out to seal the deal. A few years later I didnt manage to bone her, but she did lick my nipple when we were at a drunken party.

Just trying to broaden the understanding of Myles character. Do with this information what you will.


edit: 8000th post. To celebrate here is an image from the first row of google images when you search for '8000th post'. I find it very fitting.

wheatrich wrote on 02/05/15 at 14:22:32:


So I'm confused, do you think we should just assume Myles only cheated in SM64 and not investigate further?  Just take him at his word without questioning his behavior?  I don't think I'm saying anything unreasonable when I say we should at least look into the possibility that he cheated in multiple games.  I'm really not sure what you're taking issue with here.

Sounds good Myles.  I hope you don't feel like you're being given the mob mentality here.  As far as I'm concerned, I think we all just want to hear what you have to say.

People are comparing other cheaters who were never proven to cheat in MK64 (Fenner). In my opinion, you're clear because your method of cheating would be useless for MK, and if you did use it, you would be ranked in the top 10 rather than around the top 50. There's no point in cheating if you're not aiming for WRs

ShadowOfMyles wrote on 02/06/15 at 17:08:52:


Myles, the reason I didn't respond was because I was just waiting to see what you had to say. You said you were going to give an explanation of sorts so I was just waiting for that. I'm not going to say you are guilty or innocent either way (although your lack of replies so far didn't look so great) but I am willing to hear this out from a neutral standpoint.

Believe me I want to say you are legitimate, as you were one of my idols years ago and probably the main person that got me into seriously playing games such as kart. However I just have a few inquiries.

1. The spliced evidence was taken directly from the video of your youtube channel I assume, not from someone that downloaded the video then messed with it so a splice appears. Is that a correct assumption? If so, I don't see how someone could have messed with it. And the splice appears at some minor cutscene like exiting/entering a course, so the timing of it is pretty coincidental if it is indeed a misunderstanding (it's not like there was a random dropped frame during the middle of a long jump which would be nearly impossible to splice).

2. Have you uploaded a ton of videos of yourself playing kart? Yes you have. The issue I think most of the community has here is that if you are willing to cheat in a game like SM64 who is to say you wouldn't in MK64? Obviously there can be no conclusive evidence drawn either way, even if you were 100% beyond a doubt proven to be a cheater in SM64, this isn't evidence that you cheated in MK64 directly (for that someone would need to prove at least one of your MK64 videos has been faked). I guess ultimately either way it doesn't matter but it definitely would hurt your reputation around here if you were found to be cheating even at SM64 since I'm sure a lot of people looked up to you almost like a role model around here.

Like I said I'm not going to call you innocent or guilty, and either way my opinion does not matter except for my own personal views on the issue, but I really hope you are innocent because like I said you were one of those people that I really looked up to around here. I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me on that.

EDIT: Before I forget, you said nothing up until this point because you didn't think this accusation would affect your standing in other games you play, and maybe it won't, but did you really think that this board would simply let a cheating accusation on one of the site's most well respected players simply fall by the wayside? And that just because it wouldn't affect your kart standing mean that addressing the issue isn't important? There's no way that would happen.

ShadowOfMyles wrote on 02/06/15 at 17:08:52:


Until you give a straight answer, there isn't much else that I can say.

I think the most important question is: Is the run spliced, or is it not spliced?

If you plead innocent, then you don't have to prove it (since the burden of proof is on the accusers), but maybe it would help if you give some details about how the run was recorded.  I guess more testing will have to be done to confirm that caivs' splice-detecting method is reliable and that there are no false positives.  So far, I don't think the evidence is 100% convincing, but I'm not an expert on splicing so I'm not the best person to judge that.

If you're guilty, then further testing is likely to prove it, so the best thing for you to do would be to confess rather than dragging it out.